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GN[US Open Round 1 - 2008 US Go Congress - Mingjiu Jiang 7p vs Thomas Hsiang 8d]PW[Mingjiu Jiang]PB[Thomas Hsiang]WR[7p]BR[8d]DT[2008-08-03]EV[US Open]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Chris Garlock]C[dutch2dan [2d\]: who will be playing?
dutch2dan [2d\]: thx
YangX [4d\]: is there a place where i can see the pairings and results?
BlackSmurf [2k\]: wow there's a 36k in th US Go Congress 2008 list of players.....didnt even know it existed !!!
mahatma [2k\]: usgo, who's playing?
mahatma [2k\]: oh nvm
Bruno [1d\]: mingjiu
Bruno [1d\]: vs
Bruno [1d\]: thomas hsiang
Almdudler [3d\]: w00t
Almdudler [3d\]: congress started today?
isrdude: does b play here?
isrdude: wait 8d what? not 6d max?
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 US Open, broadcasting live from Portland, Oregon!
USGO1 [-\]: The Open is being held at the US Go Congress and features one of the strongest fields in North America. 
Dany [16k\]: 7P!!!!!!
USGO1 [-\]: The games are being broadcast by the American Go E-Journal; free go news from around the world, delivered free via email; sign up at www.usgo.org
USGO1 [-\]: We expect to begin momemtarily
crazyhorse [2d?\]: is someone setting up a clone to comment/discuss?
Kyros [7k\]: thanks USGO
crazyhorse [2d?\]: these kibitz tend to get a bit crazy with n+ observers :)
isrdude: more like 100n+ ;p
chunga [8d\]: Does anyone know what board Myung Wan Kim 8P is playing?
isrdude: a go board? ;p
isrdude: ok ok sorry ^^
mahatma [2k\]: I wonder if Takemiya could comment ^^
boldmonkey [1k\]: who is wining
BigPhenix [3d\]: how come chemboy is not broadcasted ? that's a shame ;)
crazyhorse [2d?\]: there's probably a website with the draw, chunga, maybe try usgo1 information
meien13 [2d\]: board 5 Chunga
Richdad [5d\]: Why are the three games, 3 pros with white?
crazyhorse [2d?\]: chemboy, you dawg :)
kjjdjuire: where can i see shedule pls
startgo1 [4k\]: ???
isrdude: ohh yes usgo04has the 8p
kyuboy [9k\]: GO MAH SENSEI!
kjjdjuire: shedules? anyone?
kyuboy [9k\]: GO GO GO
Oame [2k\]: Is Jie li playing too?
kyuboy [9k\]: ming jiu please win :/
kehan [1k\]: Everyone is voting for ming jiu ^^
kyuboy [9k\]: i only want him to win cause i learn from him >.>
kyuboy [9k\]: if he was some one else
kyuboy [9k\]: go dan!
kehan [1k\]: I want him to win because he sponsors kgs
Richdad [5d\]: This is the most interesting game of the three for sure
w00t [2d\]: Nice guy always finish first in our heart ^^
kehan [1k\]: don't you mean, the five?>
diamanda [1d\]: who is ahead?
kjjdjuire: shedules pls
lubricated [5k\]: mingjiu, heh its your teacher kyuboy lol
kehan [1k\]: White is winning by 6.5........
scurge [4d\]: who's the stronges non asian USA player?
kjjdjuire: why cant anyone tell me
kyuboy [9k\]: so .........
lubricated [5k\]: mingjiu will own him
lubricated [5k\]: i've just really wanted to see him play i'm excited
sentra [1d\]: when is the game start?
kjjdjuire: b just aga 8d, normal european 6d
kyuboy [9k\]: :p
kyuboy [9k\]: maybe i should ask him to play on kgs
kjjdjuire: no match for pro
Violence [?\]: scurge, do you mean someone born in America, or someone who is not of asian ethnicity?
kyuboy [9k\]: against oysy!
vghjjh: michael redmond 9p strongest non asian i know of
lubricated [5k\]: ask him to play a game with me lol
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
kyuboy [9k\]: sure =\]
kyuboy [9k\]: 9 handis for ya
kyuboy [9k\]: :P
lubricated [5k\]: nah don't really
kyuboy [9k\]: o.O
kyuboy [9k\]: can u move the chat into the
kyuboy [9k\]: pm
kyuboy [9k\]: just go back and forth
Go0oOOo0Oo [2k\]: is there a way that we can see it  like as EurogoTV
kyuboy [9k\]: unless ur lagging :/
lubricated [5k\]: whatever
scurge [4d\]: I mean
scurge [4d\]: an non asian amateur usa player:)
Violence [?\]: I don't think the USGC has video feed, I'm afraid
Sonica [1k\]: what time will start ?
Violence [?\]: Probably Gus Price, to my knowledge, Scurge
boldmonkey [1k\]: why dont start
kyuboy [9k\]: (>._.)>
scurge [4d\]: hmm soka
kyuboy [9k\]: i dunno
Violence [?\]: Maybe Matthew Burall or Landon Brownell
kyuboy [9k\]: hi hika hime!!!!!!!!!!!!
kyuboy [9k\]: :P
scurge [4d\]: thx violance
Violence [?\]: yep
scurge [4d\]: *violence:)
kyuboy [9k\]: :(
kyuboy [9k\]: lubbbby
lubricated [5k\]: yes?
kyuboy [9k\]: do u have
kyuboy [9k\]: any other great smileys
kyuboy [9k\]: >.>
kyuboy [9k\]: <.<
Richdad [5d\]: USA seems to lack really strong "american taught" players
lubricated [5k\]: one...
kyuboy [9k\]: o.o show m
lubricated [5k\]: i will divulge it
iitachi [2d\]: 2 hours O.O
kyuboy [9k\]: O_O
scurge [4d\]: ~(8-0) << homer simpson smiley ;)
lubricated [5k\]: <(\\\\\\.-)> emo kid
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
kyuboy [9k\]: nice
kyuboy [9k\]: =\]
kehan [1k\]: that doesnt make any sense lub
kyuboy [9k\]: the hair
lubricated [5k\]: why not?
iitachi [2d\]: i got it lub xD
kehan [1k\]: because it should be ///
kyuboy [9k\]: ;p;
iitachi [2d\]: i didnt gets scurge =/
scurge [4d\]: kehan > totaly true:)
kyuboy [9k\]: ҄◟‸ֱ‸◞) Grrrrr .... RAWR !!!!!!!! 
kyuboy [9k\]: beat that noobs
kyuboy [9k\]: :P
Nouli [-\]: 7p vs 8d ? wow
lubricated [5k\]: no it should definitely be \\\\\\
lubricated [5k\]: it has to go in otherwise it just looks like a part
kehan [1k\]: I invented the smallest smiley in the world. it's only 1 char.
kyuboy [9k\]: <(>╭╮<ִ)   YOU FAIL !
kyuboy [9k\]: you all fail!@
kehan [1k\]: e
kyuboy [9k\]: <(>╭╮<ִ)   YOU FAIL !
lubricated [5k\]: %?
lubricated [5k\]: is it this?
nadavshapi [7d?\]: they take their time
kehan [1k\]: look ---> e
kehan [1k\]: it's the ultimate in efficient smilies
NateC [1d\]: Does anyone know when this starts?
Kyros [8k\]: soon
Sonica [1k\]: start in half hour....
lubricated [5k\]: loo at the difference. one looks like a preppy boy the other looks like an emo kid. <(///.-)> <(\\\\\\.-)>
vghjjh: mcfayden probably stongest non asian non pro, he made it to world championship about 5 times
YangX [4d\]: 2 pros on board 6
lubricated [5k\]: oh no my emo kid got his head cut in half
sljfie [16k\]: the asian pros r sooooo good
Violence [?\]: I thought richdad said in America
vghjjh: oh
vghjjh: i think your right, my mistake
kehan [1k\]: hitler smiley (///:I
lubricated [5k\]: is there a video feed of this?
lubricated [5k\]: no this is hitler <(|*_*|)>
foxchild [15k?\]: ok...
kehan [1k\]: Game has started I imagine
vghjjh: at this point its not even being replayed
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[dp]C[kehan [1k\]: Kim-Liu is being broadcast
KGSPlus [-\]: please keep comments related to the game
kehan [1k\]: aye here we go, good luck ming jiu
foxchild [15k?\]: (>'.')>
]
;W[pq]C[vghjjh: screw thew pro i hope the ammy wins
ShihChing [8k\]: Begin in lower left?
lubricated [5k\]: b lost
]
;B[cd]C[lubricated [5k\]: im pretty sure, shih, that its just the way the scribe is facing
Violence [?\]: Yeah, I think so too
kyuboy [9k\]: any one who wants mingjiu to lose
]
;W[pc]C[kehan [1k\]: if white q17 i will enjoy this immensely
kyuboy [9k\]: ill beat the ...
Slarty [1k?\]: perhaps it is polite to give the pro's perspective?
kehan [1k\]: Yes! Go ming! mukai komoku power
lubricated [5k\]: parallel komoku FTW
Gay [4d\]: w overplay?
kyuboy [9k\]: oh no..
Violence [?\]: from my experience, the recorder gets setup before the players nigiri
]
;B[pe]
;W[qe]C[karui [6d\]: its called mukai komoku
kyuboy [9k\]: heeh
kyuboy [9k\]: basica joseki
lubricated [5k\]: nadare ftw
kyuboy [9k\]: :d
kehan [1k\]: Note: Go Seigen was known for playing mukai komoku almost exclusively during one phase of his career.
kyuboy [9k\]: nadare?
kyuboy [9k\]: that is?
Violence [?\]: so after colors are chosen, I guess no one changes locations
lubricated [5k\]: no kyuboy it can turn into nadare, one of the most complicated joseki ever
kyuboy [9k\]: o.o
lubricated [5k\]: if b plays q16
kehan [1k\]: Mukai komoku (facing komoku opening as white) features prominently in go seigen's book "a way of play"
kyuboy [9k\]: lubricated says hes a master at nadare
lubricated [5k\]: the reason white plays this is because white wants to keep sente kyuboy
kyuboy [9k\]: o.o
USGO1 [-\]: The colors are determined by the pairing, not negiri
kyuboy [9k\]: okie :D
lubricated [5k\]: no i just have joseki dictionary sgf lol
kyuboy [9k\]: kogos?
]
;B[pd]
;W[qd]
;B[oc]C[lubricated [5k\]: kogos outdated
]
;W[qc]C[kyuboy [9k\]: :?>
lubricated [5k\]: this is nadare
kyuboy [9k\]: get me new one
]
;B[pf]C[kyuboy [9k\]: ffs >.<
kehan [1k\]: The reason why white plays this is to make black's shape on the left flat...
]
;W[qg]C[reticent [6k?\]: okay, simple nadare?
kehan [1k\]: i mean, facing komokus
DJPeter [2d\]: c'est un amateur contre un pro ? 
lubricated [5k\]: kyuboy when you face nadare if you don't know it you shoul dplay r17 to end if peacefully
lubricated [5k\]: it*
USGO1 [-\]: pop quiz: b to move...where?
kyuboy [9k\]: extend?
Violence [?\]: J17 prolly
Uberdude [2d\]: j17 
ShihChing [8k\]: Q5
]
;B[ic]C[ocGOpus [4k\]: K16
dutch2dan [2d\]: o16
USGO1 [-\]: props to Uberdude
Violence [?\]: I don't get any?
Cimmerian [3d\]: poor violence
kehan [1k\]: who will get p12?
Cimmerian [3d\]: the ? never get props
Uberdude [2d\]: i was more confidnent :p
USGO1 [-\]: now, W to play?
Violence [?\]: We don't exist, I guess
kyuboy [9k\]: fix?
Violence [?\]: C110
reticent [6k?\]: well, you can regard the approaches as equivalent so you wnant to make the chinese enclosure? and i was way too slow typing that
Violence [?\]: err C10
kyuboy [9k\]: r5
profi [1k\]: c6 
dttmee [3d?\]: C10
Cimmerian [3d\]: i like c10
lubricated [5k\]: c10 prevent doublewing...
]
;W[cj]C[kjjdjuire: this w lacks fighting spirit imo
kyuboy [9k\]: o.o
sljfie [16k\]: hm
kyuboy [9k\]: violence wins
kehan [1k\]: c10, hmm
kyuboy [9k\]: :d
dttmee [3d?\]: C7
reticent [6k?\]: this W is a 7-dan pro, trashtalking him feels a bit brave!
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
kjjdjuire: r-17 simple
lubricated [5k\]: e16
ShihChing [8k\]: Uppity, rather.
sljfie [16k\]: i like this
kyuboy [9k\]: or...
reticent [6k?\]: r5?
kyuboy [9k\]: black teunki
kyuboy [9k\]: XDS
lubricated [5k\]: theres nothing to tenuki from lol
kyuboy [9k\]: :P
ultraba82 [4k\]: f3
fallen6 [6k\]: c13
Mohican [3k\]: black can attack the lower right corner, but he will end in gote
kyuboy [9k\]: i think 8d is conisdering every move
kyuboy [9k\]: :p
sljfie [16k\]: c6
DJPeter [2d\]: r5 ? ><
lubricated [5k\]: oh and 7p is n't considering any moves...
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
kyuboy [9k\]: my classes
kyuboy [9k\]: are stopped
]
;B[ch]C[kyuboy [9k\]: cause of this freakin tournament
kyuboy [9k\]: >.<
]
;W[cn]C[lubricated [5k\]: its congress, everything stops for congress
kyuboy [9k\]: d7 :D
]
;B[cl]
;W[en]C[kyuboy [9k\]: start fight already
sljfie [16k\]: the fighting type :)
Sonica [1k\]: joseki
reticent [6k?\]: now f4?
sljfie [16k\]: is he chinese?
Rookwood [2k\]: funny, I thought Congress was in recess...
lubricated [5k\]: yes but its a fighting joseki
YogSothoth [1k\]: f3 now
reticent [6k?\]: this all looks familiar from somewhere though
lubricated [5k\]: slj you mean korean, koreans are the fighters
Mohican [3k\]: black will end in sente and leave some aji there
]
;B[fp]C[kyuboy [9k\]: not all lubricated
]
;W[bp]C[kyuboy [9k\]: some 9p koreans
sljfie [16k\]: so r the chinese
kyuboy [9k\]: play like normal 
lubricated [5k\]: define normal...
kyuboy [9k\]: im chinese yeah :D
Hagalaz [4k\]: fighting is not normal?
kyuboy [9k\]: its normal
Hagalaz [4k\]: i would consider fighting a very normal part of a go game
Violence [?\]: D9, prolly...
ShihChing [8k\]: Tenuki..
kyuboy [9k\]: not in k3
kyuboy [9k\]: :pppp
lubricated [5k\]: tenuki = not good
Violence [?\]: I think black will play this standard pattern rather than allow white to get solid closer to his moyo
Mohican [3k\]: black has the choice =)
joelw [12k\]: tenuki=unlikely
Zahlman [1k\]: why not e8, or b10?
ikami [1d\]: c3 or d9 miai
Mohican [3k\]: i think black plays d9
Baga [5k\]: doesnt tenuki mean beaver?
]
;B[el]C[lowiq [1k\]: d9 
lubricated [5k\]: lol baga
Zahlman [1k\]: o_O baga...
DJPeter [2d\]: scusez moi, mais c'ets un amatauer contre un pro ou deux pros ? 
andy8452 [5k\]: lol yes baga
joelw [12k\]: ya, lots of real pervs play go
mahatma [2k\]: amateur and pro
reticent [6k?\]: DJPeter: je pense que c'est un 8d ama contre un pro
DJPeter [2d\]: Ok merci !
]
;W[gn]C[Zahlman [1k\]: can you not read where it says "mingjiu jiang [7p\] - thomas hsiang [8d\]"
CardiffGo [4k\]: Why such banal conversation?
Baga [5k\]: because we are banal people
Zahlman [1k\]: because more exciting conversation risks a boot
DJPeter [2d\]: zahlman tu sers a rien autant repondre direct
lubricated [5k\]: g6 is touch
lubricated [5k\]: tough*
Baga [5k\]: wow..i can actually read french :)
kehan [1k\]: not all of us are banal.. keep it to the game.. no french pls :p
]
;B[iq]C[CardiffGo [4k\]: Why no French?
mahatma [2k\]: cap cap cap!
Zahlman [1k\]: I suppose I could spare you the comment, but really, people are expected to help themselves a little around here so that we are not flooded with such questions
GeZe8 [20k\]: What does 7p translate to... 9d?
]
;W[cq]C[Gay [4d\]: no
DJPeter [2d\]: laissez tomber les anti francais ^^ isl parlent leurs langues, parlons la notre =)
Sotham [1d\]: It doesn't translate
kehan [1k\]: Isn't there some rule that you should use english during english events?
Violence [?\]: in AGA ranks, I think they're AGA 10d officially
]
;B[dq]C[boldmonkey [1k\]: translate=7p win
Zahlman [1k\]: it is not meaningful to try to translate p/d ranks like that...
joelw [12k\]: p ranks mean they've passed the pro exam and play against other pros
GeZe8 [20k\]: ah, okay
lubricated [5k\]: they also own...
]
;W[ej]C[sljfie [16k\]: is this game live?
Zahlman [1k\]: the only safe way to compare people is with ratings they have on the same scale, and even then it can be highly suspect :)
bulbobulbo: but it doesnt mean they are better
]
;B[cp]C[lubricated [5k\]: goodbye b moyo
Sotham [1d\]: Some Amas are better than some pros, take Aguilar for example, who has beaten 9p
bulbobulbo: but usually it does
]
;W[br]C[Zahlman [1k\]: having beaten someone does not make you better than the person you beat
ShihChing [8k\]: Even GeorgeW beat a 9p on KGS.
boldmonkey [1k\]: lol aguilar beating pros its like a solar eclipse
fort: can we watch this on live stream?
lubricated [5k\]: it happens once every couple of years... but it still happens
Sotham [1d\]: He was 3rd on the Amas world championship.
Sotham [1d\]: Aguilar is really strong
Zahlman [1k\]: aguilar is strong, don't discount it.... especially in a very slow game
bacin [5d\]: discount?
USGO1 [-\]: Thomas almost moved but changed his mind and put stone back in bowl
lubricated [5k\]: lol
lubricated [5k\]: nervous
sljfie [16k\]: is this game live?
Edc [2d?\]: has this b a kgs account?
lubricated [5k\]: yes
fort: are we able to watch this on live stream?
Zahlman [1k\]: discount, here, = give less credit than is due
ShihChing [8k\]: Minute commentary on their movements is most welcome and encourages, USGO.
kmr [1k\]: black is veggie
sljfie [16k\]: lubricated u talkin to me?
isrdude: black isn't doctor o_O
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 US Open, broadcasting live from Portland, Oregon!
mahatma [2k\]: black is most definately veggie, kmr
USGO1 [-\]: The Open is being held at the US Go Congress and features one of the strongest fields in North America. 
lubricated [5k\]: yea thx its really good to be here...
lubricated [5k\]: -_-
USGO1 [-\]: The games are being broadcast by the American Go E-Journal; free go news from around the world, delivered free via email; sign up at www.usgo.org
Zahlman [1k\]: USGO* accounts are for live events
USGO1 [-\]: This is LIVE; there is no web streaming
lubricated [5k\]: b should resign here
Zahlman [1k\]: there would be no point in setting up a demo like this for a replay; you could just grab the .sgf for yourself
fort: will there be web streaming?
joelw [12k\]: you mean this is being played on kgs?
lubricated [5k\]: no joel
USGO1 [-\]: Look for live broadcast from N.A. Inng Masters tonight; 7P PST
lubricated [5k\]: its at congress
Zahlman [1k\]: ...
Zahlman [1k\]: is it difficult to understand phrases like "broadcasting live from portland, oregon" or "there is no web streaming"
lubricated [5k\]: USGO is sitting at a computer in oregon, in a demo game. scribe means that he/she is recording the actual moves they play to be put on to kgs for our viewing pleasure
]
;B[dn]
;W[dm]C[ShihChing [8k\]: I remember watching MingJiu find a tesuji at a tournament -- he considered long, squinted, and then very deliberately and precisely played the stone in the midst of his opponents stones.. Quite a spectacle.
Zahlman [1k\]: wow, b wants a fight
]
;B[bo]C[lubricated [5k\]: its unavoidable
Chefsalat [3d\]: any webstream availible for this event?
Baga [5k\]: nope
Zahlman [1k\]: could have just c2 and g8?
Zahlman [1k\]: and why not b5 directly instead of this d6 first? looks odd
]
;W[dl]C[Mohican [3k\]: white can give up the corner and connect his stones
ShihChing [8k\]: Only get live streams when the event is 5,000 miles outside US/.
Mohican [3k\]: like he does now
lubricated [5k\]: because 7p would pwn those moves zahl
Baga [5k\]: must be hard being an 8D....cant make even one mistake..sad.
mahatma [2k\]: baga, its mostly the fact that he's playing against 7p that he can't make a mistake :P
boldmonkey [1k\]: 8D smiley?
Zahlman [1k\]: baga, being 8d is largely a product of not making mistakes to begin with
]
;B[ap]
;W[bq]C[Baga [5k\]: mistakes are fun. :)
mozarttc [15k?\]: What's the deal with webstreaming?  Is that like actually watching the players play the game instead of just seeing their moves?
lubricated [5k\]: i already like w
Zahlman [1k\]: good call mohican :)
Zahlman [1k\]: that would be it, mozart, yes. Unfortunately it is not available this time
ujio [-\]: yes mozarttc
joelw [12k\]: b6 feels so natural here
mozarttc [15k?\]: ah - thanks
Roblol [4k\]: simply d2 ?
YangX [4d\]: d2 c5 
boldmonkey [1k\]: mybe im the not fist who say this but...black should resign
Zahlman [1k\]: which is why our gracious transcriber is providing the occasional description of what the players are doing
lubricated [5k\]: b6 not a good move joel
Roblol [4k\]: d2 c5 b6 
lubricated [5k\]: look at c5
Mohican [3k\]: err well i would like to see d5 somehow
Roblol [4k\]: ?
CardiffGo [4k\]: c5 is nice to me
Uberdude [2d\]: err w lives
secondslee [3k\]: b D2
]
;B[cm]C[Uberdude [2d\]: seems b mistake
Zahlman [1k\]: o_O
lubricated [5k\]: b mistake 1st move xD
Mohican [3k\]: b made a mistake to even play this game xD
Zahlman [1k\]: lub, you mean by daring to play against w? :)
lubricated [5k\]: yep
milkshake [2d\]: b is no slouch
lubricated [5k\]: kyuboy plays him every week though
Zahlman [1k\]: seriously, though, b's position looks fine so far
lubricated [5k\]: he's so l ucky
ShihChing [8k\]: MingJiu lost to an amateur by .5 points in SF Ing tournament.
Zahlman [1k\]: not lucky but rather paying for it, no?
mahatma [2k\]: who'd he lose to?
lubricated [5k\]: yes, but lucky meaning mingjiu is friends with his mom and lives in his area
bulbobulbo: b6 no?
Enraiha [8k\]: lol he's lost to various amateurs i think
ShihChing [8k\]: I'd need to look it up..
Enraiha [8k\]: i know he lost to zchen also
Zahlman [1k\]: everyone "has lost to various amateurs"
lubricated [5k\]: c6?
CardiffGo [4k\]: d5 for white?
Zahlman [1k\]: just not at their current strength maybe :)
Violence [?\]: It was Wang Lu, I believe
lubricated [5k\]: w c6
Violence [?\]: or was it Joey Hung?
Violence [?\]: I forgot, but it was during the last Jujo cup
Zahlman [1k\]: uh, w already has a stone at c6
lubricated [5k\]: gar
Violence [?\]: USGO1, are the pairings posted anywhere online for the Open?
Sonica [1k\]: D5 ?
Heartbrok [3k\]: D5 corner  dies
Zahlman [1k\]: I'm thinking w considers c5...
Julian [3k\]: B6, perhaps?
joelw [12k\]: hikaru would've already read out this fight
lubricated [5k\]: no one realizes, c7 was a great move
ujio [-\]: c 5 better?
CardiffGo [4k\]: Yes - we do now
Chefsalat [3d\]: c5 bad
ennuistic [1k\]: capture is best
joelw [12k\]: b6 looks good
CardiffGo [4k\]: Why is c5 bad?
mandelbrot [2k\]: capture loses corner
lubricated [5k\]: no
lubricated [5k\]: capture is sente
lubricated [5k\]: with c5
NateC [1d\]: c5, b can get d9...I don't see the point in it
Violence [?\]: Just D2, I think
lubricated [5k\]: never mind, god
karui [6d\]: if w d5 b d2 w loses by 1 lib
Sonica [1k\]: c5  B6 and ?
jer [4d\]: nice move really
lubricated [5k\]: tenuki!
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
Chefsalat [3d\]: c5 b6 d5 e5 d9
GeZe8 [20k\]: Is there any limit to how much time they can take on a turn?
CardiffGo [4k\]: I guess D7 group is less under pressure than the corner
lubricated [5k\]: no
lubricated [5k\]: only in byo yomi
Violence [?\]: They can use their time however they like
Sonica [1k\]: yes so no good for w..
CardiffGo [4k\]: So saving the corner is wiser
karui [6d\]: hm maybe noit
lubricated [5k\]: 8d outsmarts 7p =p
Violence [?\]: If Thomas wants to ride his motorcycle around the block for half an hour, he can
Goissimple [5d\]: b6 
Goissimple [5d\]: ko
rvf [2k\]: does Thomas have a beard then?
bleep [3d?\]: could w give up corner? in exchange he'll get outside strength and sente
bleep [3d?\]: although it is pretty big...
lubricated [5k\]: thomas scares me when i play him... his 250 pound frame
ekku [-\]: did white fall asleep?
kyuboy [9k\]: no
CardiffGo [4k\]: b6 also looks good
kyuboy [9k\]: hes reading
bulbobulbo: w is eating now
Sonica [1k\]: if b6 b kill corner ?
Almdudler [3d\]: gogo b!
Almdudler [3d\]: kick the old pros ass
Mohican [3k\]: 7p is just going through every variation atm
Baga [5k\]: good question: What are the ages of the players?
GameFAQs [3d\]: Nooo swearin. >_>
Enraiha [8k\]: lol how do you know that toms not old?
Goissimple [5d\]: b6 d5 a6 ?
Enraiha [8k\]: /older?
USGO1 [-\]: heavy reading by white
USGO1 [-\]: Janice Kim has stopped by and is watching the game
lubricated [5k\]: oh really i t hought he was napping
Almdudler [3d\]: b won against bi jang some time ago, right?
Violence [?\]: USGO, is white clicking stones in his hand
Mohican [3k\]: is there something in this world which trains you reading better? ;)
kyuboy [9k\]: carrots
zax [-\]: tsumegos
Bruno [1d\]: .
kyuboy [9k\]: thats the secret
kyuboy [9k\]: CARROTS!
gerome3: USGO1 nice commentary :)
kyuboy [9k\]: MWAHAHAH
Mohican [3k\]: carrots sound fun
lubricated [5k\]: hooked on phonics
joelw [12k\]: dr. seuss
Jenghis [2k\]: Tarot cards : )
lubricated [5k\]: hooked on phonics = better reading
bulbobulbo: Who is Janice Kim?
remsleep [14k\]: are there clocks? my client shows them stopped
kyuboy [9k\]: mommy XD
Violence [?\]: a 3p
Violence [?\]: remsleep, demos don't have clocks count down
lubricated [5k\]: my goal this game is to somehow make USGO laugh during an intense part of the game with my comments
USGO1 [-\]: mingjiu has 2 w stones he's turning over in his hand
Toge [5k\]: What is this game? I was going to play othello.
gerome3: isnt there anything like usgotv as europrans?
USGO1 [-\]: w played: guesses?
kyuboy [9k\]: dont say bad things about mingjiu
kyuboy [9k\]: >>>
kyuboy [9k\]: b6
Violence [?\]: D2?
mozarttc [15k?\]: Bulbobulbo - Janice Kim wrote some of the best books on Go for beginners.
kyuboy [9k\]: b6XD
lubricated [5k\]: SHOW US}
bulbobulbo: D2
joelw [12k\]: he resigned
lubricated [5k\]: q10
zax [-\]: pass ?
NateC [1d\]: Undo!
ujio [-\]: b6?
lubricated [5k\]: show us plz already
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;W[do]C[Mohican [3k\]: wow
Mohican [3k\]: NEVER thought about that xD
Violence [?\]: sacrifice corner?
Uberdude [2d\]: capture is good style
kyuboy [9k\]: XD
USGO1 [-\]: janice just had to run out of the room; her phone went off
ujio [-\]: how many of you guessed this?O.O
Uberdude [2d\]: reduces aji
joelw [12k\]: 1 person did
lubricated [5k\]: i bet the 17k guessed it
Baga [5k\]: Curse of the Cell Phone
kyuboy [9k\]: LUBBBRRRRICATED GUESSSS IT 
Uberdude [2d\]: e8 less useful
KGSPlus [-\]: please don't shout
lubricated [5k\]: dont spam the chat kyuboy
kyuboy [9k\]: okie
lubricated [5k\]: uhum
lubricated [5k\]: b6?
bleep [3d?\]: D2?
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;B[bn]C[jrsfsj: after deep thinking, white decided just to capture the stone
Mohican [3k\]: b6 works?
kyuboy [9k\]: bingo!
lubricated [5k\]: winnar
mahatma [2k\]: d2
lubricated [5k\]: sacrifice
kyuboy [9k\]: d2?
mahatma [2k\]: or maybe not
Violence [?\]: now... corner is small
bulbobulbo: tenuki
Violence [?\]: Probably tenuki, I think.
change: where?
lubricated [5k\]: i said it first xD
USGO1 [-\]: now yilun yang is watching the game
lubricated [5k\]: man i wish i was at go congress
humbaba [3k\]: maybe d2 sort of sente?
Montchik [1k?\]: no live stream for this?
Violence [?\]: No video feed here
humbaba [3k\]: hum maybe not srry
bleep [3d?\]: eurogotv always does streams, but this is the AGA, they'll do it differently :)
DreamN [5k\]: wow, 7p vs 8d?
chuiunrate: no
XenoQ [5k\]: 8d amateur
chuiunrate: 7p vs 5k
kyuboy [9k\]: :P
lubricated [5k\]: ouch, his pride
w00t [2d\]: my guess is c2
chuiunrate: 9k be quiet please, you weak
andy8452 [5k\]: aparently its on tv later at somtime 
w00t [2d\]: c9
hakky [-\]: america has pro's ?
joelw [12k\]: c9 looks important
chuiunrate: t1 
lubricated [5k\]: i remember when i posed as j kim on kgs
Richdad [5d\]: w gets thickness to invade top but, the corner is really big
MCGler [2k\]: video liv stream is cool! u can see ears blush etc ;)
kyuboy [9k\]: i dont remember that o>O
ujio [-\]: monkey jump?
MCGler [2k\]: +e
chuiunrate: i remember when we use to sit
DrHause [1d?\]: i hope Mr Garlock will publish a lot of pictures
Lakanal [12k\]: asian pro who lives in US, I guess...
Richdad [5d\]: if w c9, black d2, the fight is favouirable for black
kyuboy [9k\]: (>._.)>
liusasori [2k\]: c5 e5 d6 d9 f5 e4 g4 g3 h4 h3 c9 ?
hakky [-\]: Mingjiu teaches on kgs right ?
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;W[dr]C[chuiunrate: american are pro in hamburger's eating
kyuboy [9k\]: yeah
kyuboy [9k\]: 60$ any hour
kyuboy [9k\]: in person or online
DarkMousy [-\]: O.o
kyuboy [9k\]: check his info
kyuboy [9k\]: to ask for lessons
kyuboy [9k\]: =\]
kyuboy [9k\]: i guess he wants to kill
lubricated [5k\]: ^^^^^ lucky guy
ShihChing [8k\]: If you move to the Bay Area you can get your games reviewed for free once at the Berkeley and once at the SF club each month.
kyuboy [9k\]: >.>
lubricated [5k\]: i will totally move to the bay area for that reason
DarkMousy [-\]: same here...
DarkMousy [-\]: 'SF'?
isrdude: hehehe
Violence [?\]: Oh, wow
Stormer [3k\]: i think it would be cheaper to pay for lessons than to live in bay area, haha
Violence [?\]: I didn't expect this move
kyuboy [9k\]: nope
isrdude: lol stormer
kyuboy [9k\]: its 60$
kyuboy [9k\]: always
ShihChing [8k\]: Quite a humbling experience. It's like presenting children's scribbles to Botticelli for his opinion.
chuiunrate: its 60 big mac 
DarkMousy [-\]: hmm, lesson VS review...
DarkMousy [-\]: why not just *go* to the bay area once a month?
chuiunrate: cause american people is fat
ShihChing [8k\]: The way he says, "You will die.", taught me the meaning of mortality.
Lakanal [12k\]: How many time left for both please ?
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;B[dk]
;W[ek]C[Enraiha [8k\]: a lot
]
;B[ck]C[secondslee [3k\]: sente for c5
]
;W[dj]C[jer [4d\]: wow
Violence [?\]: The recorder can't always check
]
;B[er]C[Email [5k\]: 8d?!?!?! :O :O :O
Lakanal [12k\]: ok
rvf [2k\]: B moyo shakey
Violence [?\]: that cut is bad aji..
Bruno [1d\]: blanck is thin now 
Bruno [1d\]: o.0
bleep [3d?\]: he removed the cut in sente
Violence [?\]: Black did, but white has a cut now
hakky [-\]: why are all the pro's playing against amateurs ?
Sonica [1k\]: can t cut
Medscrubs [6k\]: wuts the top prize?
Montchik [1k?\]: what cut ?
tornado [4k?\]: c1
Violence [?\]: E7
joelw [12k\]: w can't c5
Email [5k\]: how can he be 8d? :O
Mohican [3k\]: the c5 cut
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;W[fl]C[ujio [-\]: top prize is winning
Violence [?\]: No, the e7 cut is what I'm talking about
Montchik [1k?\]: c5 doesn't cut
chuiunrate: cause japanese people is smart and normal, american people is stupid and fat, so amateur vs pro ..
ShihChing [8k\]: Solid
Violence [?\]: white has to remove it
bleep [3d?\]: now the cut is back
joelw [12k\]: f8 allows for c5 cut now
Mohican [3k\]: white connected in sente now
GaretJax [7k\]: I'm not sure which is more sad, that chuinrate keeps saying that stuff or that nobody bothers to disagree...
Violence [?\]: oh.... white wants to pae?
hemb [1k?\]: chuiunrate, how do you explain the differences in baseball between america and japan?
Nemu91 [6k\]: what is the nationality of those players plz ?
Brent [1k\]: ko?
jer [4d\]: don't get this game
Email [5k\]: e5
joelw [12k\]: d1
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;B[ds]C[Violence [?\]: Both are Chinese, Nemu
Brent [1k\]: ko!
Nemu91 [6k\]: thanks Violence
Enraiha [8k\]: lol....i don't really watch baseball, but i'm pretty sure japanese ppl are beast at baseball
USGO1 [-\]: w to play; guesses?
Jenghis [2k\]: c5 now?
BlackSmurf [2k\]: isnt it plain dead?
Gresil [8k\]: i've seen two people use "pae" today now. does it mean something in english?
Violence [?\]: C1 for ko
lubricated [5k\]: america beat them in softball, i know that much
Gresil [8k\]: or just a typo?
chuiunrate: in america, you can go to the best university if you are dumnb and good in baseball
Violence [?\]: pae is ko
Stormer [3k\]: pae is korean for ko
bulbobulbo: c5?
Lakanal [12k\]: We don't respond to chuinrate because you don't respond to stupid things like this
dmitry05 [4k\]: b9 ...
ShihChing [8k\]: Q5
Nemu91 [6k\]: ko i think
Cimmerian [3d\]: now why use a korean word like pae when we have a good american word like ko
lubricated [5k\]: too early ko
lubricated [5k\]: w tenuki
bleep [3d?\]: you just ignore and wait for an admin to boot him, that's best course of action
Violence [?\]: Because Pae sounds like Pay, so it sounds like you're saying, Black will pae for this....
Brent [1k\]: It think w will play ko
Cimmerian [3d\]: thats good enough for me
Stormer [3k\]: im sure if the koreans had written the first books for the western world we would be saying ko is japanese for pae :D
chuiunrate: why? ii tell you the truth
Hagalaz [4k\]: white can form a b9 bomber, what is he waiting for!
ujio [-\]: black will really pay...
Lakanal [12k\]: No, you just tell stereotypes
Sonica [1k\]: w no ko threat ?
Brent [1k\]: O17?
lubricated [5k\]: w wont play ko...
ShihChing [8k\]: B-17 bombers dropped more than 1,000,000 gallons of napalm on North Korea in the 1950s.
Stormer [3k\]: p18 is a pretty decent threat
tuber [3d\]: -*0,
Violence [?\]: I think
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;W[ed]C[mozarttc [15k?\]: What about N4?
]
;B[nd]C[tronde [8k\]: white is dead in the corner
Violence [?\]: white will make ko threats first
Jenghis [2k\]: its B2 bomber  Hagalaz
Violence [?\]: before making ko
Brent [1k\]: I think B leads
bleep [3d?\]: o17 would have been an option too for w I think
andy8452 [5k\]: where can i get the sgf for these games?
bleep [3d?\]: I like b's position better, but it's far from over :)
lubricated [5k\]: there was an epic go game going on in the outskirts of hiroshima when the bomb dropped... after the bomb the players were so absorbed in the game that they reset the stones and continued playing
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;W[cs]
;B[cr]C[Brent [1k\]: looks to me like w needs to get a lot out of thickness to compete for territory
]
;W[cc]C[ShihChing [8k\]: C14
Nemu91 [6k\]: too early to say who is better
ujio [-\]: to get the sgfs just press options-save to disk after the game is done
Richdad [5d\]: something weir dhappened. The exchanges of d9 seems totally ajikeshi from b
ManWithHat [3k\]: lol
Richdad [5d\]: should have E2 directly
]
;B[bc]
;W[dr]C[ShihChing [8k\]: A few years later, hundreds of thousands of Baduk players perished in the war.
lubricated [5k\]: e1?
Stormer [3k\]: r14 too soon?
Cimmerian [3d\]: thanks shih, that was a really good story
Nemu91 [6k\]: black has many possibilities
Cimmerian [3d\]: end of story. there is no moral
]
;B[es]C[kishambo [4k\]: b9 now?
ShihChing [8k\]: Pentagon estimates 1,000,000 will die within first 24 hours of US Nuclear attack on North Korea -- how many more Baduk players do you estimate will die that day, Cimmerian?
joelw [12k\]: c5
Chefsalat [3d\]: b9 c5
KGSPlus [-\]: please keep comments related to the game
Lakanal [12k\]: What the point with this game ? Sih ? 
Cimmerian [3d\]: probably people are too busy starving to play baduk, so...
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;W[eq]C[kishambo [4k\]: ah right yes
kishambo [4k\]: thx
Nomadic [10k\]: b in trouble
Violence [?\]: This is dangerous for black
DarkMousy [-\]: b will die
Violence [?\]: I hope black read all the ko threats
enerG [7k\]: o snap
joelw [12k\]: must f3
liusasori [2k\]: c2 
Violence [?\]: no
Cimmerian [3d\]: f3 is no good
DarkMousy [-\]: unless w profits somewhere else
Violence [?\]: black needs to play ko
Mohican [3k\]: black is in trouble now
Pu [1d?\]: if b f3 w c5 and has chance
lubricated [5k\]: too tired...
chuiunrate: black need to drink a coke lolll
Richdad [5d\]: was playing the ko for black required
Richdad [5d\]: couldnt he have c1 instead of d1?
sentra [2d\]: c2 first
DrZoom [8k\]: c5 e4 c2 
gougou [1d\]: i vote e5 for black
isrdude: not c2? :D
topper [5k\]: isn't W playing this ko to make c5 sente?
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;B[cr]C[Zorrochan [16k\]: e4 i think
Slarty [1k?\]: B seems safe enough with E4
Nemu91 [6k\]: play ko ^^
isrdude: see c2 :)
DarkMousy [-\]: Rich, I think b wanted to prevent the eye
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;W[dc]
;B[be]
;W[dr]C[DrZoom [8k\]: hm... i b wins the ko, black doesn't need c5 ...
ShihChing [8k\]: I remember MingJiu mentioning creating ko-threats with approach moves re: D17 when early ko with KGS+ lecture.
Brent [1k\]: with E3, white might be able to lose ko but still make a wall on the bottom
Sonica [1k\]: but if b w the ko didn t need E1 too...
]
;B[ep]C[Sonica [1k\]: win
]
;W[gc]C[DrZoom [8k\]: with a1 the whole ko is senseless
Bruno [1d\]: A1
Mohican [3k\]: yeah right a1
Mohican [3k\]: seems honte
hemb [1k?\]: is bf1 not really big?
k1ll3r [?\]: c5
chuiunrate: r6 
Bruno [1d\]: the problem with A 1 might be w F3
joelw [12k\]: w f3 still looming
Brent [1k\]: J15
DarkMousy [-\]: H15
chuiunrate: r6 
chuiunrate: r5 
isrdude: ~j15 ?
chuiunrate: r4 
chuiunrate: r3 
chuiunrate: r2 
joelw [12k\]: c2
chuiunrate: r1 
krakengo [1k\]: remove that terrible aji... please
GameFAQs [3d\]: Ya'll need to calm down.
GameFAQs [3d\]: >_>
isrdude: ahh yes buttom right is big too with  q5 like move
Brent [1k\]: if B R2, W D2
Groningen [13k\]: eh, black may only play 1 move
isrdude: but maybec5 is a worry less later
chuiunrate: yeah
DrZoom [8k\]: if b plays a1, w can decide c2 or f3. in any case black is fine
chuiunrate: yoda's spirit
DarkMousy [-\]: nice, Brent
player3 [2k\]: is it realy terrible?
isrdude: darkmousy, brent, i don't understand in what sequence?
DarkMousy [-\]: the 'R2D2' sequence
USGO1 [-\]: For latest Congress tourney info, click on http://usgo.org/congress/2008/
chuiunrate: you are a fight club alright
USGO1 [-\]: Round-by-Round pairings, running crosstabs and more!
krakengo [1k\]: if w wins the ko, b is in shreds
Violence [?\]: Nice, thanks for the link
Mohican [3k\]: j17 <- weak
Mohican [3k\]: cant remove the aji
Brent [1k\]: to understand sequence, must understand C3, P0 exchange
chuiunrate: t1 
Owy2001 [6k\]: I can't find P0 :(
ShihChing [8k\]: You must be careful towards the byo-yomi end of these games, USGO -- EGC scribes consistently lost their places in endgame. Confusion.
chuiunrate: why not r7?
Gresil [8k\]: p0 is the stone-dropping tesuji?
DarkMousy [-\]: wrong board...the right one is in a galaxy far far away...
krakengo [1k\]: and why R7 ?
chuiunrate: cause its empty
slinky [-\]: Cimmerian [2d\]: i want to bear tartrate's man children
krakengo [1k\]: just to give w a free shimari ?
DarkMousy [-\]: r7@ r5 maybe
chuiunrate: free shimari for all
krakengo [1k\]: well J15 if you like
DarkMousy [-\]: chuiun, I'll take a 2 space shimari
chuiunrate: j15 small
holynec [2k?\]: :-\]
krakengo [1k\]: but almost no pressure on w
secondslee [3k\]: j15 - r5 - q12
Jenghis [2k\]: assuming that white has lost the LL corner is it safe to say that black is ahead?
Mohican [3k\]: j15 necessary
krakengo [1k\]: look at E10 thickness
bacin [5d\]: w is ahead jenghis
GoForGlory [7k\]: what is shimari?
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;B[eh]C[DarkMousy [-\]: Jenghis: with that rather large assumption, I believe that is correct
isrdude: corner enclosure
hikaru6969: wow jiang is a 7 dan professional
Stormer [3k\]: that is the last move i expected
isrdude: http://senseis.xmp.net/?shimari
Brent [1k\]: seems good though
GoForGlory [7k\]: thx
krakengo [1k\]: this is interesting
Chefsalat [3d\]: e12 hard to get
DarkMousy [-\]: assuming b takes some right territory
krakengo [1k\]: makes J17 stronger
DrZoom [8k\]: On which webpage are the current players? 
Jenghis [2k\]: Yes this game is far from decided : )
chuiunrate: q10 
chuiunrate: no q9 
Mohican [3k\]: j17 still weak, bottom still aji... it depends on who gets r5 i guess
hikaru6969: ming jiu is losing?
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;W[ib]C[Bruno [1d\]: no
Stormer [3k\]: yeah interesting, this way i think B can ignore a ko threat against any of his groups
chuiunrate: yeah j18 like i said
Nemu91 [6k\]: wa can't tell that now ^^
Nemu91 [6k\]: we*
krakengo [1k\]: => w touches strong stone to defend
DarkMousy [-\]: es anyone else prefer the large knight shimari?
DarkMousy [-\]: *does
hikaru6969: no
Stormer [3k\]: not in this situation, 
DarkMousy [-\]: no, not here
Bruno [1d\]: w will win becouse q 4 area is too big for b to reduce
chuiunrate: l3 
hikaru6969: what?
hemb [1k?\]: I like the dark knight shimari, actually
]
;B[hb]
;W[hc]C[Groningen [13k\]: too soon to tell who is winning
]
;B[jb]
;W[id]C[DarkMousy [-\]: Bruno, it's still a bit early to determine endgame
joelw [12k\]: it's on
]
;B[jc]C[hikaru6969: you guys are just looking to w rank and saying this stuff...
]
;W[gb]C[hikaru6969: i believe w is behind
USGO1 [-\]: question: do you like live streaming video of games? If so, why? If not, why not?
kukulis4 [2d\]: black looks better to me
DarkMousy [-\]: 7p is not weaker than 8d...
chuiunrate: i don like
]
;B[jd]
;W[ie]C[chuiunrate: this is too slow
Guanyin [3k?\]: I like, to see reactions of players and such
slinky [-\]: right corner now?
Gresil [8k\]: i actually prefer the usgo and bga style where the scribe describes events to the tv stream thing of eurogotv
Pu [1d?\]: yes i like it  because we get ti see their concentration
krakengo [1k\]: H18 looks like mistake
Richdad [5d\]: its cool but its not so needed. Its uncomfortable to watch the board that way, only cool tosee the players
Stormer [3k\]: i dont think the technology is good enough for a video feed,  streaming video has horrible resolution
Uberdude [2d\]: e12 seems too close to thockness
]
;B[qo]C[slinky [-\]: ah yes ! i was right :D
]
;W[qp]C[ShihChing [8k\]: Top view of board video is good.
chuiunrate: kosumi
DarkMousy [-\]: is this on eurogo?
hikaru6969: yeah
DrZoom [8k\]: It would be nice to have a camera on top of the board. I hate the perspective view. Something like the billiard cameras on top of the table.
USGO1 [-\]: Thomas: "is that so?) in japanese
Richdad [5d\]: i agree Uber, i dont like E12 neither
Jenghis [2k\]: I have dial up so I hate live feeds : (
Uberdude [2d\]: DarkMousy. it is not in europe
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;B[po]
;W[nq]C[Richdad [5d\]: was w really going to play it?
DarkMousy [-\]: ah, ok
hikaru6969: ShihChing great idea
DarkMousy [-\]: hence 'US Go', got it
Nomadic [10k\]: i think we should see the reactions of players  Shih
ShihChing [8k\]: Both.
hikaru6969: someone hang a webcam above the board
sleeper [2k\]: drzoom: you want them to use the camera that they use like on baduk tv? where its above the board?
]
;B[qi]C[Mohican [3k\]: r11 now
Mohican [3k\]: hah
Uberdude [2d\]: e12 floaty dame
Mohican [3k\]: =)
joelw [12k\]: woah
DrZoom [8k\]: never saw baduk tv
]
;W[qh]C[sljfie [16k\]: ya sleeper
Stormer [3k\]: nice pick :)
ShihChing [8k\]: Unless you are in rural Norway -- two webcams ain't much bandwidth.
Kyial [4k\]: lol
Gresil [8k\]: if there was a camera directly above the board, some whiz kid could code a program that recognizes the board position and broadcasts it.
sljfie [16k\]: ya
krakengo [1k\]: sorry, but Norway have good net
chuiunrate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFoczfgjFIA
kukulis4 [2d\]: back R9 
ShihChing [8k\]: Not for Go, it don't.
Stormer [3k\]: it could be tricky with sloppy go players :D
DarkMousy [-\]: and hope hand motions and heads don't ess it up...
joelw [12k\]: q11
DarkMousy [-\]: *mess
krakengo [1k\]: can't Q11
Kyial [4k\]: not true.. Norway very behinde
Kyial [4k\]: ;)
]
;B[pi]C[hikaru6969: cant eh?
joelw [12k\]: he just did
ranma17 [6k\]: lol
kehan [1k\]: writing a program to construct a SGF based on photos would be very very easy
krakengo [1k\]: just cannot
Stormer [3k\]: b disqualified! illegal move!
Jenghis [2k\]: black is asking for an invasion?
USGO1 [-\]: W TO MOVE: WHERE?
USGO1 [-\]: invasion
krakengo [1k\]: lol
kehan [1k\]: L14 :p
Richdad [5d\]: q8
Mohican [3k\]: splitting move at q8
Stormer [3k\]: f3
DarkMousy [-\]: chuiun, let's keep the links appropriate to this...
sleeper [2k\]: q8 
hikaru6969: q7 
kehan [1k\]: p7
]
;W[pl]C[joelw [12k\]: I liked s9 :(
]
;B[nl]C[sleeper [2k\]: p6 
Mohican [3k\]: aye
sleeper [2k\]: would be what i would play here
Mohican [3k\]: m2
]
;W[ok]C[sleeper [2k\]: i want him to play differently though so i can question why he didnt play at p6
DarkMousy [-\]: your wish...
ennuistic [1k\]: white is losing pretty badly after losing the bottom left, isn't he?
sleeper [2k\]: see now to me this looks like its running towards black...
Enraiha [8k\]: doesn't p6 just lead to a cut?
hemb [1k?\]: so what's the deal with bottom left?  is white dead?
hikaru6969: o5 
Stormer [3k\]: bottom left still has some aji
DarkMousy [-\]: Enraiha, both would be cut
krakengo [1k\]: "some" ?
DarkMousy [-\]: leads to semeai
krakengo [1k\]: much more
ennuistic [1k\]: not really
hemb [1k?\]: isn't it still ko if wf3?
ennuistic [1k\]: no semeai obviously
sleeper [2k\]: bottom left is dead
Bruno [1d\]: a pro teacher told me, the most important part of the game is middle game and yose...
ennuistic [1k\]: either b10 or c5 miai
sleeper [2k\]: white has no chance at the ko at f3 black has too many local threats
sleeper [2k\]: white would need to make 5 threats elsewhere and hope black has no threats elsewhere
Enraiha [8k\]: i mean in white's shape, p6 p7
hikaru6969: otake says fuseki is most important
kyuboy [9k\]: :p
hikaru6969: and otake is otake
Guanyin [3k?\]: different ppl focus on different things
Enraiha [8k\]: p9 doesn't lead to him cutting his own shape lol
ennuistic [1k\]: i think the least important part about the game is joseki.
Koukkaaja [3d\]: most important is to play the winning move
Koukkaaja [3d\]: but people may argue on that as well
Mohican [3k\]: i dont think i can agree with you ennuistic
Seemaus [7d?\]: who won the US Open last time?
Kyial [4k\]: moves...
DarkMousy [-\]: 2nd most important is not to play the losing move
Enraiha [8k\]: nahh it's when to deviate from the joseki :)
Cimmerian [3d\]: joseki rule
hikaru6969: where is jet li game?
Pu [1d?\]: i think b needs a p10/11 right now, to prevent w from p12
DarkMousy [-\]: ??
ennuistic [1k\]: not sure jie li is attending this year.
kehan [1k\]: Enraiha that's an 8k idea. the 1k idea is not to play the *last* losing move.
ennuistic [1k\]: too much drama.
Violence [?\]: He's set for the ING
MatchFree [-\]: Darkmousy.. if you do not play the losing move, then you win..
Violence [?\]: but he's not in the Open, from what I heard
MatchFree [-\]: so second rule is the only rule^^
Stormer [3k\]: jie li vs jackie chan!
krakengo [1k\]: P10 one the worst moves
Kael [2d\]: the idea is to play the losing move, then learn from it and not play it again?
krakengo [1k\]: P11 hardly better
ShihChing [8k\]: Is the USGO Ing rules also?
joelw [12k\]: m3
bacin [5d\]: I dont get the idea
Violence [?\]: No
kehan [1k\]: Jacky chan is such a q16 player
uhuh [2d\]: p12 bigger and thick
Violence [?\]: It's AGA rules for the Open, ING rules for the ING
DarkMousy [-\]: MatchFree: I consider the 'losing move' to be a tide-turning disaster of a move ^_~
Pu [1d?\]: and why would you say that? afraid of overplay?
]
;B[ni]C[Stormer [3k\]: usgo uses aga rules
]
;W[nk]C[sljfie [16k\]: b should play T 1
sljfie [16k\]: LOL
krakengo [1k\]: who wants to overplay, and against mingjiu...
Enraiha [8k\]: nahh that move is reserved for gods :)
DarkMousy [-\]: t2 is better
yuugen: slljfie if you have to laugh at your own joke, it's not funny
uhuh [2d\]: o11, not good, 
holynec [2k?\]: so mingjiu is playing in both tournaments again hehe 
Koukkaaja [3d\]: by the way, in go it is easy to live forever
DarkMousy [-\]: T3 wasn't as good
beowulf07 [1d\]: ...
tromp [-\]: o5?
joelw [12k\]: n9
DarkMousy [-\]: s8
krakengo [1k\]: no use pushing w to her strength
ManWithHat [3k\]: koukkaaja: very good point. lol :)
krakengo [1k\]: better help Q5
]
;B[mo]C[sljfie [16k\]: id like to se this game live
krakengo [1k\]: anyway, Q11 was not reasonable
beowulf07 [1d\]: high jump...
DarkMousy [-\]: define live...
kehan [1k\]: n5 = capitulation therefore white wins
]
;W[ml]
;B[mm]C[hikaru6969: USGO is about to hang up a webcam above the board
uhuh [2d\]: n5 go back the game
sljfie [16k\]: awesomeness
DarkMousy [-\]: riighht
]
;W[ll]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: where can i find the broadcast
DarkMousy [-\]: in 6969's head?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu Jiang is a Chinese 7-dan professional. He’s the brother of Zhujiu “Jujo” Jiang and the author of Punishing and Correcting Joseki Mistakes, and, with Guo Juan, of All about Joseki as well as co-editor, with his brother, of "Weiqi Technique Encyclopedia." He’s the winner of the Western Section of the 2004, 2006, and 2008 North American Toyota Denso Oza Championships.
bagman [4d\]: i think he was joking =P
uhuh [2d\]: but o11  does not cover the right part. waste
Julian [3k\]: Thanks, USGO1. :)
joelw [12k\]: k15
ShihChing [8k\]: He is also a political refugee from China, essentially, as I understand it.
USGO1 [-\]: THOMAS HSIANG is an AGA 8d and has been playing go for more than 40 years. The 56-year-old college professor teaches electrical engineering at the University of Rochester in Rochester, NY. He's won the Ing Invitational twice, the US Open three times and the North American Fujitsu once. Hsiang represented the US in the 1998 and the 2005 WAGC and played in the 2006 North American Masters Tournament. His hobbies include go and music. Hsiang’s favorite thing in go is being "Ahead in semeai by one liberty, of course." 
Seemaus [7d?\]: does paris hilton play in this tornament too?
beowulf07 [1d\]: ...
Mandjames [9k\]: yes but naked
]
;B[mq]C[Mandjames [9k\]: in the next room
minizola [6k\]: too bad :(
iNguyen [4d\]: His hobbies include go and music. Hsiang’s favorite thing in go is being "Ahead in semeai by one liberty, of course." 
krakengo [1k\]: nice move
iNguyen [4d\]: LOL
Stormer [3k\]: b tryign to get o4 in sente?
kehan [1k\]: 8d has go as a "hobby" big suprise there
USGO1 [-\]: He’s also a key organizer of this year's first-ever World Mind Sports Games. 
kehan [1k\]: I'd like to hear his music if he thinks 8d is a hobby.. where can i buy his cd :p
ShihChing [8k\]: That's in China? Mind Sports?
hikaru6969: yep
hikaru6969: China
Stormer [3k\]: related to the olympics?
hikaru6969: after Olympics
Enraiha [8k\]: no lol
ShihChing [8k\]: I'd love to observe a 20 board simultaneous Xiang Qi match.
iNguyen [4d\]: am i mistaken
]
;W[mr]C[ShihChing [8k\]: Blindfold.
Kael [2d\]: N3 is a fun move
]
;B[np]C[iNguyen [4d\]: but isn't white behind alot?
]
;W[oq]C[hikaru6969: thats what she said
krakengo [1k\]: a good move, not fun
Enraiha [8k\]: you mean weiqi
]
;B[lq]
;W[lr]C[ShihChing [8k\]: No -- Chinese Chess.. one of the Mind Sports.
Violence [?\]: I think white will get something out of the ko
Kael [2d\]: Fun move because there were so many complicated ways it could go after :) 
kehan [1k\]: i'd rather watch 20 teletubbies episodes back to back than watch a 20 board xiangqi simul
Violence [?\]: not necessarily win it, but something
Kael [2d\]: although this is kind of the simplest one
Enraiha [8k\]: lol but we're all talking/watching go :)
ShihChing [8k\]: Hope W gets O7
Stormer [3k\]: l14?
]
;B[kq]C[hikaru6969: l3
]
;W[oh]C[krakengo [1k\]: next group
Mohican [3k\]: i knew he would play p12
Violence [?\]: oh jeez
Violence [?\]: this is going to hurt...
sljfie [16k\]: yup
hikaru6969: sacrifice
milkshake [2d\]: mingjiu on the offensive
sljfie [16k\]: what a nice move
hikaru6969: s8 
Mohican [3k\]: its no sacrifice
krakengo [1k\]: w very pleasing moves
ShihChing [8k\]: He's so solid attacking. Doesn't even appear aggressive.
sljfie [16k\]: id  say s8 as well
]
;B[oi]C[Violence [?\]: s8 is a good move... if you want to die
hikaru6969: i think sacrifice means death
hikaru6969: or am i wrong?
sljfie [16k\]: black is in so much danger
Jenghis [2k\]: Don't you mean assisted suicide Violence : )
minizola [6k\]: o13
Kael [2d\]: B top stones are alive, his mid stones are about the same as whites mid stones
krakengo [1k\]: O16 thickness gave too litlle, means w got top right cash almost for free
Mohican [3k\]: is o13 a good move or is p13 better?
]
;W[fq]C[Stormer [3k\]: woo!
hikaru6969: w mid stones are strong
krakengo [1k\]: aaaaaah /o\\
]
;B[cr]C[minizola [6k\]: D2
humbaba [3k\]: ah :)
krakengo [1k\]: :)
hikaru6969: because f8
]
;W[cf]
;B[bf]
;W[dr]C[minizola [6k\]: f2
minizola [6k\]: :@
Kael [2d\]: yeah, but if it ends up with black running out they become weaker i mean
hikaru6969: and b's thinnes
uhuh [2d\]: so far, r11 gain nothing, waste a sente 
ManWithHat [3k\]: only 468 observ.
ShihChing [8k\]: S14
falbel [6k?\]: c5
]
;B[fr]C[Mohican [3k\]: hsiang knew about the following moves of r11, but he thought it would run better, o11 was a mistake
Violence [?\]: Play internal threats first
player3 [2k\]: ladder is good for w
Violence [?\]: it's very important
]
;W[gq]
;B[cr]C[ShihChing [8k\]: I see..
]
;W[cg]
;B[bg]
;W[dr]C[sljfie [16k\]: o12
GoForGlory [7k\]: r14
sljfie [16k\]: fir B
Kael [2d\]: g2
DreamN [5k\]: b lost
]
;B[gr]C[sljfie [16k\]: for*
krakengo [1k\]: w preparing to attack N11 ?
Violence [?\]: G4
ShihChing [8k\]: That corner was a time bomb.
player3 [2k\]: I think b won't lose this ko
Stormer [3k\]: g4 yeah, h3 woudl be horrible shape
Violence [?\]: Oh wait...
Kael [2d\]: c5?
Violence [?\]: H3...
joelw [12k\]: g4
Violence [?\]: has to H3, I think, G4 then black H3
ManWithHat [3k\]: does USGO1 know how much time left?
Kael [2d\]: h3 seems not very useful
Mohican [3k\]: is b12 a good move to threat a moyo there?
Kael [2d\]: G4 i like better
change: h2?
minizola [6k\]: G4
Klever [11k\]: kill
iNguyen [4d\]: do they get 2 hours each/
Jenghis [2k\]: I like c5
ManWithHat [3k\]: yes
minizola [6k\]: think so
krakengo [1k\]: if i can't get C5 in sente,
Violence [?\]: mmm, maybe c5
krakengo [1k\]: B12 problem
sljfie [16k\]: i wish i could be there
minizola [6k\]: g4 before
Serguei [3d\]: only two hours each ?
Stormer [3k\]: does c5 now work?
DJPeter [2d\]: c'ets deja pas mal 2heures x)
minizola [6k\]: c5 doesn't work :x
change: 2h byo-yomi
hikaru6969: je suis un petit suis
Serguei [3d\]: 2 hours is short at high level DJPeter ^^
GameFAQs [3d\]: C5 cure could work.
ShihChing [8k\]: Byo-yomi settings seem more practically important than base time.
GameFAQs [3d\]: sure.
DJPeter [2d\]: ok ^^ parce que je suis aps a ce niveau que je crois que c'est beaucoup ^^
GameFAQs [3d\]: DJPeter!
DJPeter [2d\]: Yeah !
minizola [6k\]: c5 - e5 - D6 - F6 -g7 - f7..
minizola [6k\]: black escape
GameFAQs [3d\]: I think I knew you once. >_>
DJPeter [2d\]: ah x)
minizola [6k\]: white bad shape
hikaru6969: i wanna rock'n'roll all nite!!
Serguei [3d\]: I remember Cho Hye Hyeon complaining about how time limits were so short now in tournaments
Kael [2d\]: It's because people watch real time
Violence [?\]: Cho Hyeyeon is in Congress, right?
Kael [2d\]: 24 hour games are not a spectator sport
Serguei [3d\]: yet they're still like three hours per player plus byo yomi
ShihChing [8k\]: Better than the 1 hour games for TV -- turn pros into clowns, some complain.
hikaru6969: what?
hikaru6969: pro lighting games are the best
joelw [12k\]: that isn't escaping when b doesn't have f5 yet
krakengo [1k\]: no
hikaru6969: yes
TanGeng [1k?\]: how does it c5 look against the c9 group?
bagman [4d\]: how much time left for each player?
JasonANew [2d\]: w is a pro ?
joelw [12k\]: besides, b can ust kill g3 if w c5s
Kael [2d\]: tangeng: makes ko really big for one :) 
minizola [6k\]: mylol.org first link you can see somebody playing go on TV
minizola [6k\]: got pwned by a suicide
minizola [6k\]: o/
minizola [6k\]: can't p/c the youtube link
Groningen [13k\]: white is leading in the number of captured stones
bagman [4d\]: thst id trivial
krakengo [1k\]: w is leading
DJPeter [2d\]: la isl sont en train de lire 100 coups a l'avance et totues les variantes >_<
]
;W[je]C[TanGeng [1k?\]: well white is ahead because he has sente right now
iNguyen [4d\]: waiti have one of his book!
iNguyen [4d\]: haha
adoreme [3d\]: how many pros play in the tournament?
DrZoom [8k\]: they have really 2h to play?
Groningen [13k\]: a few
hikaru6969: two thousand
jnr [-\]: I think w make course on KGS ?
joelw [12k\]: k15 so big
change: k15 big?
DJPeter [2d\]: il fait une coursesur kgs ? 
DJPeter [2d\]: make course ca veut dire quoi ? <.<...
krakengo [1k\]: w is beloved teacher at kgs
hikaru6969: o12 
ShihChing [8k\]: White "likes KGS a lot" he always so kindly remarks.
Nemu91 [6k\]: il donne des cours sue kgs DJPeter
]
;B[co]C[jnr [-\]: ok, he's the one I tought
krakengo [1k\]: b fixed
DJPeter [2d\]: Ok merci !
]
;W[mc]C[krakengo [1k\]: finally
lemuria [2d?\]: both happy now
Jenghis [2k\]: Mingjiu teaches each sunday morning in the ING room
krakengo [1k\]: w happy
krakengo [1k\]: got K15 ignored !!
joelw [12k\]: b not happy in a moment
jnr [-\]: really
lemuria [2d?\]: ouch... n17 hurts
jnr [-\]: I didn't know thank
beowulf07 [1d\]: o18?
ToughNerd [12k\]: where did black last play
krakengo [1k\]: C5
GoForGlory [7k\]: i missed it, where did black go
ToughNerd [12k\]: thanks
iNguyen [4d\]: i think white has evil intention for q11
Stormer [3k\]: toughnerd, you can try 'view offline' in order to see all hte previous moves
joelw [12k\]: this play is an attempt to get p18 in sente, yes?
hikaru6969: eh?
Stormer [3k\]: options->view offline
hikaru6969: w played twice in a row?
]
;B[nb]C[DJPeter [2d\]: bien sur
TanGeng [1k?\]: well o18 is normal
threeby3 [?\]: b played c5
]
;W[kd]C[GoForGlory [7k\]: nice, thanks
krakengo [1k\]: w loses 7 in the corner
hikaru6969: i see
krakengo [1k\]: but b loses more
TanGeng [1k?\]: yep
Cail [5k\]: poor p11 =(
]
;B[lc]C[lemuria [2d?\]: weird
joelw [12k\]: n16
lemuria [2d?\]: h19 i suppose 
USGO1 [-\]: Today’s EJ broadcasting team: Chris Garlock (Board 1); Todd Heidenreich (Bd 2); Dennis Wheeler (Bd 3); Richard Dolen (Bd 4); Tom Hodges (Bd 5); Casey Alexander (Bd 6; Matthew Heymering (KGS admin);  Steve Colburn (IT). 
lemuria [2d?\]: or just tenuki 
ShihChing [8k\]: What's Matthew's alias?
Mohican [3k\]: m16 seems natural
sljfie [16k\]: unnecessary usgo
Stormer [3k\]: maybe switch to p13?
DJPeter [2d\]: p13 
ennuistic [1k\]: so...
DJPeter [2d\]: ouais je le sen bien <.<
ennuistic [1k\]: hello chris?
jnr [-\]: L17 ?
secondslee [3k\]: what about s8 wrt p11?
w00t [2d\]: i would l17
jnr [-\]: great :)
USGO1 [-\]: Click here to check out what our top players look like: http://usgo.org/congress/2008/openplayers.html 
lemuria [2d?\]: l17 loses sente w00t doesn't it ?
Stormer [3k\]: connecting under is too wimpy for 8dan
hikaru6969: omg
w00t [2d\]: l17, l18, m16
hikaru6969: all the top players look very western
]
;W[li]C[bulbobulbo: !
Gizensha [1d?\]: lol
Stormer [3k\]: ooh!
jnr [-\]: tenuki XD
krakengo [1k\]: why lose liberties ?
ennuistic [1k\]: richard liang looks depressed
jnr [-\]: boshi
Medscrubs [6k\]: lol chem's GF is in there.
w00t [2d\]: guess l17 no rush
bplayer55 [3k\]: guys need a bit of grooming
krakengo [1k\]: oh my lol what a lol
bplayer55 [3k\]: it helps with go player image
TanGeng [1k?\]: i'm sorry what image?
hikaru6969: picture
krakengo [1k\]: your market image of course
krakengo [1k\]: you product !!
krakengo [1k\]: ;-)
hikaru6969: it helps to understand the game if you look at their pictures
Mohican [3k\]: white making a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig moyo there, and b12 will complete it
hikaru6969: b12 fails
Mohican [3k\]: why?
hikaru6969: b12 d13 ?
ennuistic [1k\]: s11 to connect?
Mohican [3k\]: ah damn
Jenghis [2k\]: then d12
]
;B[ph]C[Mohican [3k\]: see hikaru, first read then post, i always mix those things ;)
krakengo [1k\]: can you really exchange M11 for S11...
ennuistic [1k\]: yes.
krakengo [1k\]: better resign
kyuboy [9k\]: so hows has the advantage
ennuistic [1k\]: eventually
kyuboy [9k\]: rigth now?
]
;W[ld]
;B[kc]C[ennuistic [1k\]: make the cuts first.
kyuboy [9k\]: who have ze advantage
kyuboy [9k\]: >.>
]
;W[de]
;B[dg]C[krakengo [1k\]: my big moyo, pom pom pom pom...
Stormer [3k\]: i think w leads, he only needs to make 10 point in the mid to win i think
vlades [2k?\]: hi folks, just one question that probably has been asked before, i just got here. Is 8d from AGA or from EGF???
iNguyen [4d\]: white epic fail
]
;W[bi]C[Mohican [3k\]: AGA i think
krakengo [1k\]: sigh
ShihChing [8k\]: b11 b9
krakengo [1k\]: *US* GO
sljfie [16k\]: black is weak in the middle
bagman [4d\]: a g a
Gizensha [1d?\]: EGF doesn't have 8 dan
TanGeng [1k?\]: epic fail?
iNguyen [4d\]: n17 for o18 exchange looks bad now, hurt white corner later for yose
]
;B[bh]C[vlades [2k?\]: ok thanks, yeah gizensha, that is why i was asking, i thought egf didn´t have that rank
TanGeng [1k?\]: well white's pressed black into the 3rd row
]
;W[md]
;B[mb]C[ShihChing [8k\]: Black right side not very useful.
hikaru6969: time to countdown
TanGeng [1k?\]: most of black is too low
Mohican [3k\]: q13?
bagman [4d\]: all of b is too low
TanGeng [1k?\]: right I stand corrected
ennuistic [1k\]: white has a very hard time making territory in the center.
ennuistic [1k\]: can't make much
]
;W[ha]C[Kael [2d\]: does he need much?
Mohican [3k\]: i think he wants to kill it all lol
Rossk [-\]: what does h19 do?
hikaru6969: 10 points
bagman [4d\]: pts
Rossk [-\]: can w kill the whole thing^^
ennuistic [1k\]: white around 35 pts maybe?
ennuistic [1k\]: 40ish with komi
kjjdjuire: thic b had no chance at all
krakengo [1k\]: L19 follow-up
]
;B[pb]
;W[qb]
;B[qa]
;W[ra]
;B[pa]
;W[sb]C[Julian [3k\]: r19 too small.
ennuistic [1k\]: black 35 pts total
kjjdjuire: b lost
Mohican [3k\]: its about life and death julian
sljfie [16k\]: q13 for B!
krakengo [1k\]: good game
]
;B[lf]C[ennuistic [1k\]: wait
Violence [?\]: White is still ahead, but... probably need a few more moves before res
Julian [3k\]: This group won't die.
Mohican [3k\]: it wont, but black has to do everything to make that sure
ennuistic [1k\]: black leading by about 10
kjjdjuire: yes violence, what matters is that w is huge ahead
krakengo [1k\]: i like this move
ennuistic [1k\]: forgot to count bottom
ennuistic [1k\]: white needs 10 pts in the middle
]
;W[mh]C[uuffy: only?
sljfie [16k\]: ???
gogonuts [6d\]: w is giving us a lesson in patience
kjjdjuire: easyly
Mohican [3k\]: if white has not enough points in the end, he can ko here and there
ennuistic [1k\]: i think so.
ennuistic [1k\]: there is no ko.
kjjdjuire: see?
kjjdjuire: n-12 great move
Mohican [3k\]: i like m19 ennuistic
gogonuts [6d\]: look how w never really started the fight in the bottom left
TanGeng [1k?\]: m19 is tiny
Serguei [3d\]: m19 wrong
krakengo [1k\]: L19 is the move
ennuistic [1k\]: m19 obviously something to worry about, but not right now.
Serguei [3d\]: m19 l19 m18 n19 
krakengo [1k\]: but a gote yose
Mohican [3k\]: serguei
Serguei [3d\]: yeah, L19 is tesuji
Mohican [3k\]: m19 l19, k19
bagman [4d\]: m19 is nothing
ennuistic [1k\]: k19 obviously nothing
bagman [4d\]: m19 m18 k19 l19 l18 n19 
Mohican [3k\]: hmm
Mohican [3k\]: true bagman
kyuboy [9k\]:   i dont think
kjjdjuire: n-12 sente
kyuboy [9k\]: white can win any more
kyuboy [9k\]: unless
kyuboy [9k\]: he makes huge kill
bagman [4d\]: l19 works however
ennuistic [1k\]: o14?
kyuboy [9k\]: or seucres huge moyo
TanGeng [1k?\]: huh?
sljfie [16k\]: i dont see y q13 isn't being played
]
;B[me]C[ennuistic [1k\]: s11 to connect =)
Serguei [3d\]: cos it doesn't matter siljfie ?
kjjdjuire: does hsiang plays on kgs
ShihChing [8k\]: Trade top for Q11 group attack
Serguei [3d\]: q13 p13 o12 s11 r14 s8 for one
ennuistic [1k\]: i don't think its a trade
krakengo [1k\]: w has T18 now
milkshake [2d\]: hsiang plays as veggie on kgs
kjjdjuire: whats time right now in portland?
sljfie [16k\]: but white could win so much Serguei!
kjjdjuire: thx, milkshake
sljfie [16k\]: altho i do trust 3ds
BlackSmurf [2k\]: 11:30
Serguei [3d\]: whay would white win ?
ennuistic [1k\]: very hard to disconnect black
BlackSmurf [2k\]: i think
Serguei [3d\]: white would actually lose about 4 points in the sequence probably
kjjdjuire: 11:30, so thes tated about 8:30?
Blockdude [3k\]: dumb question, this is happening right now?
holynec [2k?\]: yes
Blockdude [3k\]: k thx
krakengo [1k\]: didn't w anticipate this ?
AroundOneD [1d\]: Q13 is there now?
ennuistic [1k\]: if q13, o12 connects.
kjjdjuire: i feel il, guys...
BlackSmurf [2k\]: no .....a bit after 9:00
kjjdjuire: they started about 30 min later
secondslee [3k\]: w G12
BlackSmurf [2k\]: 930 then
kjjdjuire: always the same with usgo congress, why?
kjjdjuire: always have time prob
gogonuts [6d\]: n15 was a good move, i think w is calculating through the endgame right now
ShihChing [8k\]: US/European Go needs grand venues -- not these generic conference rooms, and back offices.
ennuistic [1k\]: even then i think black still has s11 to connect under
Julian [3k\]: W can q13 and then deal with n15, it seems.
Stormer [3k\]: difficult to organize so many people
Stormer [3k\]: and usuallyt he bracket software goes haywire :D
kjjdjuire: y, shih
kjjdjuire: y, stormer
AroundOneD [1d\]: or L14
kjjdjuire: last year was the sony laptop
kjjdjuire: remember?
ennuistic [1k\]: if white l14, i think black will connect.
kjjdjuire: exploded, kabuumm
ShihChing [8k\]: Can you imagine a Honinbo inside a football stadium? One table in center.
kukulis4 [2d\]: I think black leading
kjjdjuire: n-15 great, can now capture p-12
gogonuts [6d\]: if w L14 b has time for g4
Stormer [3k\]: you would have to have pretty good eyesight :D
sljfie [16k\]: lol not that big shih ching
ennuistic [1k\]: b18 is black's priviledge, so is g4
gogonuts [6d\]: so maybe w g4 now
Stormer [3k\]: i have a hard enogh time reading numbers on jerseys :D
kjjdjuire: g-4 big? now
USGO1 [-\]: time: W 1 hr; B 1:05
ennuistic [1k\]: no..
ShihChing [8k\]: They could enact the game in a huge board with stones the size of SUVs.
ennuistic [1k\]: i think l14 is big right now.
kjjdjuire: oh, this can take long
kjjdjuire: USGO1, what about ji lie, is he palying?
Pyrderi: can't white just play O12 first?
Serguei [3d\]: what about O12 ?
gogonuts [6d\]: o12 is an aji killer
Pyrderi: ok
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;W[gh]C[ennuistic [1k\]: oooh 4 stones.
ennuistic [1k\]: nom nom nom
Serguei [3d\]: l13 ?
bulbobulbo: eat!
gogonuts [6d\]: g12 looks good once its played ...
USGO1 [-\]: Jie Li's not here; he may be late, but we also heard that he may not make it at all
]
;B[ro]C[ennuistic [1k\]: its not.
USGO1 [-\]: will keep you posted
]
;W[rp]
;B[sp]
;W[sq]C[kjjdjuire: thx, USGO
]
;B[so]C[Stormer [3k\]: these guys are good at finding unexpected moves :D
]
;W[rq]C[goinin: You're just bad at expecting.
Pyrderi: so are 28k... with one important difference...
gogonuts [6d\]: bs play is much more straightforward
huggy [4k\]: perhaps cause they r good at go
gogonuts [6d\]: but i like the evasive w style
AleXchG [3d\]: p8 then N10 severe
gogonuts [6d\]: not sure weather thats strength or character :-)
kjjdjuire: evasive?
gogonuts [6d\]: evoiding all head-on fights
ennuistic [1k\]: i think white is getting pretty desperate actually
Rakeliem [1k\]: seems like w losing
Gizensha [1d?\]: good players don't like to play according to opponent's plan so they play "unexpected" moves a lot
AleXchG [3d\]: if you llok closely enough
ennuistic [1k\]: the board favors black.
Rakeliem [1k\]: yea
ninezero [5k\]: is m7 big right now?
AleXchG [3d\]: W 's leading
Rakeliem [1k\]: how, alex?
ennuistic [1k\]: i think white made about 10 pts in the center now though.
AleXchG [3d\]: count
MaLa [2k\]: B18?
bulbobulbo: if someone is getting desperate its b
gogonuts [6d\]: b got his way everywhere - but giving your opponent everythiung he asks for and still win  is high art
Daemonic [7k\]: wow, ko still isn't done?
ShihChing [8k\]: G12 is not desperation.
kjjdjuire: go is so difficult. some call it weakness if u avoid fights, but i think its the most natural way to playx go: to play simple and effective
ennuistic [1k\]: too many big points
manestor [7k\]: i see only 40 pts of really secure territory for b
ennuistic [1k\]: thats about right
AleXchG [3d\]: GO is not about fighting
Daemonic [7k\]: b looks way behind
ennuistic [1k\]: about 45 for white.
AleXchG [3d\]: about harmony
kjjdjuire: right, its not
kjjdjuire: like i said
ennuistic [1k\]: all endgame favors black though.
GeZe8 [20k\]: What is the time left for both players?
kjjdjuire: harmony of ur shapes
TanGeng [1k?\]: white has 45?
kuikentje [5k\]: the fights are just more subtle then
Stormer [3k\]: about 50 minutes each by now i suppose
ennuistic [1k\]: 45 + komi
TanGeng [1k?\]: can't be right
Daemonic [7k\]: komi is 7.5, neh?
USGO1 [-\]: time remaining: w 58; b 60
AleXchG [3d\]: i will play p8 and n10
TanGeng [1k?\]: there's the big framework in the middle are you counting that?
AleXchG [3d\]: but maybe it's bad move
ManWithHat [3k\]: 7,5 yes
Daemonic [7k\]: what's mid, about 25?
gogonuts [6d\]: notice how g12 indirectly defends against L15 because b doesnt want L15,L14M15,L13
ennuistic [1k\]: i think so.
ennuistic [1k\]: around 45, assumig 10 pts in center.
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;B[im]C[Daemonic [7k\]: ah, 10ish
gojilla [4k\]: is this being broadcast anywhere, like Eurotv?
]
;W[ik]C[GeZe8 [20k\]: I don't think so.
Daemonic [7k\]: no
kjjdjuire: yes
kjjdjuire: no?
Daemonic [7k\]: ?
Daemonic [7k\]: not that I know of
gogonuts [6d\]: wow, ws patience is otherworldly
ShihChing [8k\]: Pace suggests Whites content there.
chenhm [1k\]: h5?
Montchik [1k?\]: no video feed if you are asking that
gojilla [4k\]: y not?
kjjdjuire: w pro is a bit older, or?
goinin: It's "EURO"gotv, not USgotv. Get your geographics right.
ennuistic [1k\]: c18 is like 12 pts
]
;B[ke]C[gojilla [4k\]: I see, US doesn't have the Tech to stream this
]
;W[kf]
;B[le]
;W[bb]
;B[ab]
;W[ba]C[Fiara [8k\]: I wish I had a channel for go :(
]
;B[bk]C[ennuistic [1k\]: l15 because it is reverse sente?
]
;W[bj]C[Daemonic [7k\]: I'd name a go channel K10: TengenTV
gojilla [4k\]: lol
Fiara [8k\]: Lol..
ennuistic [1k\]: l13 looks nice.
]
;B[ce]
;W[df]
;B[ah]C[ShihChing [8k\]: Why B10 so important?
ennuistic [1k\]: oh... corner in trouble.
Daemonic [7k\]: hmm...m13 is double sente, yes?
gogonuts [6d\]: c15- d14 is a big bonus for w
Daemonic [7k\]: no, nvm
Blockdude [3k\]: b10 doesnt let blak connect
TanGeng [1k?\]: that was huge
ennuistic [1k\]: b10 tp protect b11 stone from being cut
Stormer [3k\]: i didnt realize b18 was sente for white
ennuistic [1k\]: or rather to protect white from connecting under
fairgo1 [10k\]: why a12 for black?
Stormer [3k\]: shouldve looked at that harder :D
Blockdude [3k\]: so that... he can live
fairgo1 [10k\]: oh nvm
Serguei [3d\]: b looks ahead somewhat
gogonuts [6d\]: a12 for 2 eyes
royalty [3d\]: e13 d12 f12 
Blockdude [3k\]: and not be reduced either
Blockdude [3k\]: as he would had he played a16
Daemonic [7k\]: E13 next?
Rakeliem [1k\]: a8
]
;W[eg]C[gogonuts [6d\]: this was a real coup for w
]
;B[dh]C[Daemonic [7k\]: yup
]
;W[fh]C[krakengo [1k\]: wow
gogonuts [6d\]: gota love it
ennuistic [1k\]: hmm.
ShihChing [8k\]: Pure.
Rakeliem [1k\]: goood territory
Violence [?\]: Right now
Violence [?\]: I'd just res
Violence [?\]: and cry
Daemonic [7k\]: <~~8k called it
slinky [-\]: who?
slinky [-\]: who won? or is winnin?
]
;B[kg]C[gogonuts [6d\]: and w made b hand it to him on a platter
]
;W[jf]C[Tom2 [8k\]: is there a live broadcast similar to eurogotv?
Daemonic [7k\]: gotta m13...
Daemonic [7k\]: no tom
Universe [2d\]: i feel black will win this one
Tom2 [8k\]: thanks Daemonic
Daemonic [7k\]: np
Rakeliem [1k\]: mingjiu is great
krakengo [1k\]: still a chance for b ?
Tobamf [2d?\]: is this being broadcast live anywhere?
slinky [-\]: but his brother is better!!!
jiva [1k\]: here
Universe [2d\]: black has better energy now
ennuistic [1k\]: j8 looks nice.
Blockdude [3k\]: slinky, shut up
Universe [2d\]: with this game
Blockdude [3k\]: >.>
gogonuts [6d\]: if style counts for anything w will win
ennuistic [1k\]: er
Daemonic [7k\]: hi, TheOriginal...
Rakeliem [1k\]: m12
ennuistic [1k\]: j5
coolazn [5k\]: slinky, thats only becuase he stopped playing professionally like, 20 years ago
Tobamf [2d?\]: Hi Daemonic
ShihChing [8k\]: White's territory so simple to count.
Daemonic [7k\]: LTNS
ennuistic [1k\]: of course m13 probably urgent.
Tobamf [2d?\]: seems like it
Daemonic [7k\]: m12/13...
Medscrubs [6k\]: s8 soon?
Blockdude [3k\]: m12 is bad for black
Daemonic [7k\]: no, m12 bad >.<
ennuistic [1k\]: m12 not as good i think
Daemonic [7k\]: right
Daemonic [7k\]: <~~spouting, then seeing problems
Blockdude [3k\]: dont worry, thats what i do also
Akagi316 [7k\]: gotta m13 no?
Daemonic [7k\]: yeah
Shinato [-\]: yeah m13
Rakeliem [1k\]: m13 threatens cut
Stormer [3k\]: he is probably counting
csgo [?\]: just m13, but I think h5 also big
Daemonic [7k\]: a9 is bigger, Imho
]
;B[mj]C[Akagi316 [7k\]: ooh
Shinato [-\]: interesting
]
;W[kk]C[ennuistic [1k\]: p7 i guess
gogonuts [6d\]: easy answer
Rakeliem [1k\]: forcing while he still can
Daemonic [7k\]: why not m10?
Rakeliem [1k\]: wow
fairgo1 [10k\]: how much time is left for both players?
Akagi316 [7k\]: o7 sente now?
Rakeliem [1k\]: oh
TanGeng [1k?\]: huh
Daemonic [7k\]: 45 min(ish)?
royalty [3d\]: p8 rather
krakengo [1k\]: can P8 horror ?
GeZe8 [19k\]: Around 55 mins for both players
Gizensha [1d?\]: m10 n9 o7 m9 
]
;B[lg]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: p8
fairgo1 [10k\]: k
ennuistic [1k\]: since p7 makes about 4 pts in sente
Daemonic [7k\]: k12 now...
gogonuts [6d\]: m10 makes b play n9, then w needs o7 and b has m9
Daemonic [7k\]: or a8
]
;W[nm]C[Shinato [-\]: not sure about k12
TanGeng [1k?\]: that seemed like a bad exchange
ennuistic [1k\]: doh
royalty [3d\]: knew it
]
;B[nn]C[krakengo [1k\]: oh 3d is so string
krakengo [1k\]: mmh strong
royalty [3d\]: stong
Almdudler [3d\]: lawl
jiva [1k\]: i'm stonger than anyone here
Daemonic [7k\]: 3d s are stringy...
jiva [1k\]: it's all the string beans
slinky [-\]: :)
Kael [2d\]: 3d is my favourite dimension 
Universe [2d\]: lol
gogadget [11k\]: smelling strong=
ennuistic [1k\]: someting like h5 to capture the g3 stones.
Garel [7k\]: jiva are you a bodybuilder world champion, or what?
jiva [1k\]: well not to brag, but i just started lifting weights 3 weeks ago
ninezero [5k\]: lol
slinky [-\]: ><
royalty [3d\]: are you done yet?
]
;W[om]C[ToughNerd [12k\]: not much
jiva [1k\]: not yet ;)
slinky [-\]: 6 years here!
]
;B[ho]
;W[hn]C[Daemonic [7k\]: psh, 1 kyus don't lift weights xD
]
;B[in]C[ennuistic [1k\]: and how are those 5 pounders working out for you?
]
;W[go]
;B[gp]C[bacin [5d\]: I started 10 years ago
ennuistic [1k\]: bulding up a sweat?
Daemonic [7k\]: lol, bored
]
;W[io]C[slinky [-\]: o.O i use  25 lbs
jiva [1k\]: well i'm moving up to 7.5 pounds in about 6 months
ShihChing [8k\]: I remember watching White fill in dame -- as a waterfall they flowed. 
ennuistic [1k\]: nice plan.
]
;B[hp]C[jiva [1k\]: yes ;)
kjjdjuire: i did it too, but now i think muscles are very unnatural and unnesseary
Universe [2d\]: over for white :(
lemuria [2d?\]: it was so weird for w to lose sente on p7
Almdudler [3d\]: I lift my arms every day
lemuria [2d?\]: he could have just tenuki
ennuistic [1k\]: i think you can get a good workout with 5 pounds
krakengo [1k\]: no choice
gogonuts [6d\]: w was checking if he had a good attack against J7, he didnt like it enough so he just stuck with p7
ennuistic [1k\]: just need to do a few hundred reps
]
;W[jh]C[krakengo [1k\]: when b captures, miai
jiva [1k\]: too bad, i loved white's ko battle in lower left
Daemonic [7k\]: k5 have any chance?
kjjdjuire: 3 years of hard trainign and the?
Akagi316 [7k\]: k5 no chance
kjjdjuire: u stop and alls gone
ennuistic [1k\]: black is going to miss those 3 sente points at p7
Daemonic [7k\]: m6 n6 k5?
csgo [?\]: somewhere right side?
kyuboy [9k\]: resign?
kyuboy [9k\]: qgurwa ubdkywbxw ri vuf O.O
ennuistic [1k\]: i think white leading by 5 pts on the board.
gogonuts [6d\]: the way w never actually implemented his aji in the lower left was very instructive
kyuboy [9k\]: whites influence to big
TanGeng [1k?\]: influence?
kyuboy [9k\]: oops
kyuboy [9k\]: moyo*
lemuria [2d?\]: lawl @ influence
TanGeng [1k?\]: you mean points?
royalty [3d\]: not moyo if black cant invade :P
kyuboy [9k\]: i just woke up from my nap
kyuboy [9k\]: >.<
ennuistic [1k\]: white 55 + komi?
Daemonic [7k\]: go back to sleep ;-P
csgo [?\]: s8
BlackSmurf [2k\]: w ahead by more than 12 pts now isnt he?
coolazn [5k\]: yes
coolazn [5k\]: at least
Kael [2d\]: somewhere around M7 I think (not nec. there)
USGO1 [-\]: TIME: W 53; B 49
ShihChing [8k\]: What byo-yomi settings?
ennuistic [1k\]: white leading by 5 or 6 pts total
USGO1 [-\]: 5/30
csgo [?\]: or s10
Tobamf [2d?\]: can black win this?
ennuistic [1k\]: still a game.
Stormer [3k\]: my money is on L2
ShihChing [8k\]: EGC 1min/3
Tobamf [2d?\]: 5 or 6 pts is huge, ennuistic
TanGeng [1k?\]: this is over
Daemonic [7k\]: W J1 ftw
ennuistic [1k\]: black's move
]
;B[jg]
;W[ig]C[gogonuts [6d\]: even if its just 5 points its magic - moving ahead while never moving
Universe [2d\]: black will win this one
ennuistic [1k\]: also s8 is black priviledge
coolazn [5k\]: no
BlackSmurf [2k\]: no way
Stormer [3k\]: actually w has to be careful about a monkey jump from there, i think probably w would play l2
coolazn [5k\]: white is going to win
frosty [6k\]: how can black win?
azndemon [12k\]: is killing p12 important?
]
;B[ki]C[ennuistic [1k\]: nice
ennuistic [1k\]: this is big
ennuistic [1k\]: looks like white in trouble now.
Universe [2d\]: endgame also favors black 
Rodolphe [3d\]: no
ennuistic [1k\]: yes.
Rodolphe [3d\]: m10 is enough
Tzesarel [10k\]: yeah
ennuistic [1k\]: if m10, then k11
kuikentje [5k\]: if you say that the endgame favours black, then aren't you just attributing too much points to white?
lemuria [2d?\]: q13 now ... i guess
]
;W[lj]C[Rodolphe [3d\]: ^^
ennuistic [1k\]: hmm
ennuistic [1k\]: maybe not k11
krakengo [1k\]: K11 gift
Tzesarel [10k\]: wait... why not L12?
ennuistic [1k\]: k11 not a gift
ennuistic [1k\]: just kills the aji
Tzesarel [10k\]: aji?
coolazn [5k\]: he might try to do somethin w/ the 6 black stones
]
;B[ji]C[ennuistic [1k\]: oh well
Daemonic [7k\]: Tzesarel - potential
]
;W[kh]C[Tobamf [2d?\]: heheheheh
Neospring [4k\]: o12 o.0
]
;B[lh]
;W[ih]
;B[mi]C[Daemonic [7k\]: m12 j12 n11
Daemonic [7k\]: yup
ennuistic [1k\]: pretty good for black
Goury [3k\]: w q13 ?
gogonuts [6d\]: nope
Kael [2d\]: w wants sente for M6 I guess (or somewhere south?)
krakengo [1k\]: call it trade, i call gift
ennuistic [1k\]: now black leading by a few points
iNguyen [4d\]: beter for white
bacin [5d\]: good for w
gogonuts [6d\]: h8?
Gizensha [1d?\]: heh heh
Tom2 [8k\]: Tzesarel, if you dont know whats aji just type "senseis library" in google, go to this site and search for the term "aji". senseis library is a great site
ennuistic [1k\]: how this is good for white is beyond me
Daemonic [7k\]: a8
bacin [5d\]: :)
bulbobulbo: its time for Q13
Tzesarel [10k\]: ok thanks.
Tom2 [8k\]: np :)
ennuistic [1k\]: black just made 10 extra points in the center
ennuistic [1k\]: and reduced white's center
kuikentje [5k\]: aji usually refers to weaknesses in your formation - which your opponent may exploit later
frosty [6k\]: wite just need to play defencive to win
lemuria [2d?\]: w m6  ?
TanGeng [1k?\]: there was no reduction
gogonuts [6d\]: q13 loses a lib
gogonuts [6d\]: w wont play it
]
;W[ln]C[Enraiha [8k\]: or it just means having a bad taste :)
Daemonic [7k\]: O>o
kuikentje [5k\]: ^^
Daemonic [7k\]: is my k5 coming??
ennuistic [1k\]: k5?
]
;B[mn]C[Tobamf [2d?\]: yes, Tzesarel, no one here knows, so they have to look it up on sensei's too. one might almost call asking about the definition of aji and getting an unsatifactory response tasteless.
coolazn [5k\]: didn't white increase his territory in the center area?
gogonuts [6d\]: good peep
Tobamf [2d?\]: sorry, had to work in a pun into that
MChow [3k?\]: L6
ennuistic [1k\]: if black k5 instead of n6, then p6 too good?
TanGeng [1k?\]: yeah white solidified center
]
;W[jo]C[gogonuts [6d\]: somehow this all feels exquisitly painful for b
Daemonic [7k\]: whoo!!
krakengo [1k\]: :)
Taklamakan [7k\]: bad pun
USGO1 [-\]: Thomas: hmm!
Stormer [3k\]: w is a wildman
Akagi316 [7k\]: very nice
Daemonic [7k\]: called it like 50 moves ago! :D
Lever [12k\]: that was not a mild defensive move :p
kurosama [2d\]: l6 ?
ennuistic [1k\]: this is ok i think?
ennuistic [1k\]: l6 works
Ho [5k\]: m7 
USGO1 [-\]: Thomas just muttered something under his breath
Koukkaaja [3d\]: just yose
Fiara [8k\]: Who is winning?
fairgo1 [10k\]: wow white wins
ennuistic [1k\]: lol
Ithkuil [?\]: daemonic: it just means your timing is bad ;)
Daemonic [7k\]: l6 m7?
slinky [-\]: did he say resign?
lemuria [2d?\]: haha... thanks USGO ;)
slinky [-\]: nice game
fairgo1 [10k\]: what did he muter O_O
Daemonic [7k\]: timing has nothing to do with conception ^_^
Stormer [3k\]: time for nuclear tesuji
ennuistic [1k\]: i think he said he should've k5 immediately
sentra [2d\]: L7?
ennuistic [1k\]: instead of n6
gogonuts [6d\]: L6 for b?
TanGeng [1k?\]: does l6 work?
plein [1k\]: l6 seems alright
oibbi [1d\]: just l6 
Daemonic [7k\]: ennui, I asked if k5 had a chance, then suggested m6 first to give it one
TanGeng [1k?\]: I thought black would lose by one liberty
gogonuts [6d\]: w may have slipped up
ennuistic [1k\]: grats.
krakengo [1k\]: semedori 
oibbi [1d\]: l7 seems to work too
robertus [?\]: What does 7p means
Violence [?\]: 7 pro dan
krakengo [1k\]: means troll
royalty [3d\]: and i think you are misreading
royalty [3d\]: black seems to die
gogonuts [6d\]: L7 loses a lib i think
gogonuts [6d\]: just L6
IchiHeiwa [9k\]: L7?
royalty [3d\]: l6 l5 
ennuistic [1k\]: if l6, l7
ennuistic [1k\]: this is devastating
Rakeliem [1k\]: l7
ennuistic [1k\]: L6 doesn't work
USGO1 [-\]: Thomas definitely seems unhappy now
Violence [?\]: This works for white
krakengo [1k\]: mmmh
royalty [3d\]: l6 l5 l7 m7 m5 k7 k6 j8 
slinky [-\]: yeah it works for white
plein [1k\]: both l6 and l5 doesn t work
gogonuts [6d\]: whats wrong with L6?
Violence [?\]: a powerful suji
slinky [-\]: >< a 3k can read it!
ennuistic [1k\]: L6, L7
Daemonic [7k\]: l6 k6 m7 l7 m5 k7
lemuria [2d?\]: pprobabl k5 was the kind of move when you sacrifice one stone more
Rakeliem [1k\]: he is 3d
sizamun [11k\]: m7 for black
lemuria [2d?\]: to get better sente moves
gogonuts [6d\]: L6,K6,K7
robertus [?\]: thank you Violence
fairgo1 [10k\]: how did thomas mess this up?
royalty [3d\]: gogonuts, my sequence
Rakeliem [1k\]: why not l7??
snake5 [2k\]: L7 doesnt work?
kyuboy [9k\]: i think thomas played good
kyuboy [9k\]: no he did play good
gogonuts [6d\]: L7 makes a bamboo joint
krakengo [1k\]: you like to lose libs ?
royalty [3d\]: l7 m7 l6 l5 m5 k7 k6 j8 
Violence [?\]: the bamboo joint just fails
kyuboy [9k\]: :D
gogonuts [6d\]: that can be attacked at k7
snake5 [2k\]: i got it
kyuboy [9k\]: ,7
kyuboy [9k\]: m7
kyuboy [9k\]: :D
Daemonic [7k\]: if my sequence comes, I expect everyone to be amazed at the 7k...
ennuistic [1k\]: hmm
ennuistic [1k\]: here is sequence
ennuistic [1k\]: L6, L5, L7, M7
ennuistic [1k\]: black loses the capture race after m5
TanGeng [1k?\]: ok
Daemonic [7k\]: umm...ow?
TanGeng [1k?\]: yeah
TanGeng [1k?\]: that's right
oysy [8d\]: correct
kyuboy [9k\]: oysy O.O
TanGeng [1k?\]: black is behind by one
fairgo1 [10k\]: oysy spoke...
kyuboy [9k\]: O-O
Daemonic [7k\]: oysy...is my sequence bad?
ennuistic [1k\]: so n6 should k5 immediately
jsc [14k\]: WOW
plein [1k\]: l6 l5 l7 m7 m5 k7, b dead
jsc [14k\]: whats going on?
csgo [?\]: yeah n6 too small
plein [1k\]: that s just it
slinky [-\]: hiya oysy!
oysy [8d\]: hi
jsc [14k\]: whats going on?
krakengo [1k\]: seems b eventually fell asleep
gogonuts [6d\]: i think that somehow sacrificing 2 stones is good yose for w
Daemonic [7k\]: l6 k6 m7 l7 m5 k7, both profit
ryot [14k\]: What's with za times?
USGO1 [-\]: b resigns
Tobamf [2d?\]: hi slinky
ennuistic [1k\]: sad.
slinky [-\]: :(
plein [1k\]: and if you start with l7, it s the same
ennuistic [1k\]: bad mistake
USGO1 [-\]: They're reviewing now
Stormer [3k\]: very interesting game, thanks for relaying it
mita [7k\]: R14 is delicious
Neospring [4k\]: l5?
ennuistic [1k\]: black was winning after n12 was captured
jsc [14k\]: WHATS GOIING on?????
ennuistic [1k\]: black resigned here.
Shenron [1d\]: B RESIGNED
ennuistic [1k\]: mingjiu got lucky
krakengo [1k\]: thanks USGO*
Gizensha [1d?\]: uh
gogonuts [6d\]:  b missed L6 , or did he judge the squeeze as deadly?
jsc [14k\]: us go congress???
Rakeliem [1k\]: why didn't he play l7?
Daemonic [7k\]: if k5 lives, I think w wins
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks for watching! Redmond youth game this afternoon (3P PST) and Ing games tonight (7P PST)
Medscrubs [6k\]: buy oysy aren't you 9d? >.<
ennuistic [1k\]: didn't think k5 could escape
mita [7k\]: come on black go R14
ShihChing [8k\]: All day long -- divine.
Daemonic [7k\]: hey ^_^ b w wins!!
ennuistic [1k\]: therefore played n6 instead of k5 immediately
jsc [14k\]: noknott!!!!!! they wont answer!!!!!
Daemonic [7k\]: *w wins!!
Stormer [3k\]: even if it cannot excape, w gets forcing moves that are valuable
sljfie [16k\]: wow games change alot in 15 minutes
ennuistic [1k\]: this mistake is 20-25 pts
fairgo1 [10k\]: wait the games over?
jsc [14k\]: hi
Stormer [3k\]: yes, black resigned
fairgo1 [10k\]: ok
krakengo [1k\]: USGO1 [-\]: b resigns
Julian [3k\]: Makes sense. W is ahead by 20.
TanGeng [1k?\]: this only makes the score more lopsided for white
jsc [14k\]: hi fairgo1
fairgo1 [10k\]: hi
ennuistic [1k\]: sad game.
ennuistic [1k\]: no
ennuistic [1k\]: black was winning before he lost k5
Swordfish7 [5d\]: u sure?
ennuistic [1k\]: yes.
Swordfish7 [5d\]: looks very close even if he doesnt lose it
ennuistic [1k\]: black should be up by 5 i believe
sljfie [16k\]: so what happens now review?
Daemonic [7k\]: w up by 10 at least
ennuistic [1k\]: maybe a little less
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks for watching; stay tuned for more exciting top-board games this week!
haf31k [?\]: game over?
Daemonic [7k\]: w wins
enerG [7k\]: what happened
gogonuts [6d\]: what would w have played against L6 - L7?
Daemonic [7k\]: b resin
ennuistic [1k\]: tragedy happened
Daemonic [7k\]: W + RES
kyuboy [9k\]: hes upf
kyuboy [9k\]: by
kyuboy [9k\]: 20+
kyuboy [9k\]: actuaully
kyuboy [9k\]: =\]
gogonuts [6d\]: L6 wins the fight, strange place to resign
royalty [3d\]: doesnt 
BALLZ [1d?\]: try offline
ennuistic [1k\]: L6, L7, M7, M5
Gizensha [1d?\]: l6 l5 
royalty [3d\]: you should be ashamed:P
Daemonic [7k\]: kyu, please tell me you're not going by SE...
ennuistic [1k\]: then k7
Swordfish7 [5d\]: l6 doesnt win the fight as far as isee
Universe [2d\]: black was ahead for quite some time
royalty [3d\]: l6 l5 
Universe [2d\]: and endgame 
jsc [14k\]: hahahaha
royalty [3d\]: nothing in it for black
Universe [2d\]: was in blacks favor
oibbi [1d\]: naah... i missed k7 :/ so black dies
jsc [14k\]: daemonic lol
ennuistic [1k\]: *cry*
gogonuts [6d\]: L6,L7, K6
royalty [3d\]: gogonuts, l6, l5
BALLZ [1d?\]: white wouldn't play anything by l5...
BALLZ [1d?\]: but
gogonuts [6d\]: oops
bacin [5d\]: w+?
Daemonic [7k\]: W + RES
bacin [5d\]: b resigned?
bacin [5d\]: ok
cugel23k [5d\]: l6 works for b  but b behind
TanGeng [1k?\]: yep
gogonuts [6d\]: L5 is a pain :-)
kukulis4 [2d\]: simply L6 doesnt work ?
Rakeliem [1k\]: no 
Rakeliem [1k\]: it doesn't
gogonuts [6d\]: i though it would but if w L5?
Gizensha [1d?\]: you mean b l6 l5 l7 m7 k6 ?
Gizensha [1d?\]: w just m5 
Ownway [2k\]: l6 doesnt work
gogonuts [6d\]: because of L5, very funny
Daemonic [7k\]: my move won the game ^_^
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